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Post Active Item Limit and a new Home Bill of Rights
on: September 17, 2011, 16:50
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There are things in the past that have never been resolved to my satisfaction. Particularly the fact that we can only have 2 active items in our spaces at same time. I cant even have all three go-go dancers gyrating at once along with the little ballerina and ghetto-blaster. As we enter a new era in Home with re-design etc. are we just supposed to forget about things that have never been right in the first place? But the first two things which are unfair to me is the 50 item and 2 active item limit. Probably the main enjoyment I derive from Home is decorating and furnishing my spaces of which I own around 35. My plant collection alone can almost take up the limit. And they come out with new active itmes everyweek. We are being programmed to consume items that we cant even use. And then we are forced to sign TOS which basically means we have no rights at all. In the real world there has been the Magna Carta and things like the Bill of Rights but in Home the only real right we have is to spend money. I am suggesting a new Home Bill of Rights and I will suggest the first three and will others please contribute. #1-Active Item limit increased to 10. #2- General item limit increased to 100. #3 That we have the right to go to other regions such as Japan, Hong Kong etc with automatic translation so people who only speak english can function in other regions.

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on: September 17, 2011, 18:10
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Good luck with your bill of rights,I am truely an individual rights person myself so I see the need,but I seriously doubt Sony will ever give up what it considers it's rights for no financial gain.If there was a way to make your bill of rights profitable to Sony I think you'd have a better chance at success.

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on: September 17, 2011, 20:53
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I agree with your reasoning. But I think what I have said increases Sony's profits and I will use myself as an example. I no longer buy active items because of the limit. And I imagine there are others like me. Same with regular items. The more they let us have the more I will buy. But I already have at least 20 active items. I should be able to have a pool table,3 go-go dancers,ballerina, ufo thing and others at same time. Plus my collection of plants, furniture and ornaments should all be able to be used at same time. I know Sony has to have TOS for its own safety but how about giving us as loyal customer increased limits of items.

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Post Re: Active Item Limit and a new Home Bill of Rights
on: September 18, 2011, 00:38
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I know that you can run over the limit trying to just furnish your space with items designed for that specific estate, such as Santorni or the Paris apartment. Why sell more than 50 items for a space if you can't buy them all and use them in there at the same time?

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on: September 18, 2011, 01:08
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"Why sell more than 50 items for a space jf you can't buy them all and use them in there at the same time?" Here's 1 answer.Because ppl buy them.I fully agree that it's a pain to shuffle items around in order to stay within the limit and asking for a removal or increase of that limit is a legit. complaint many users make but to say they shouldn't sell items because of that limit seems odd to me.

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on: September 18, 2011, 01:15
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@lunaticfringe13 if you could find a way to show Sony that more ppl hold back on purchases like yourself because of the limit then you would have a much stronger case to present them.I'd suggest somehow getting something like a petition and then get as many ppl as you can to attach their names to it.That would be rather concrete proof that they would be able to profit from an item increase.I'd be quite happy to attach my name to it if you do as I agree this is a problem and I also agree that it could increase sales if done away with.I'd word the petition to show that the signers would indeed spend more cash if the limit was changed or that the current limit stops them from buying items,good luck.

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Post Re: Active Item Limit and a new Home Bill of Rights
on: September 19, 2011, 09:54
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I get the emotion behind the points being raised -- but there are a couple of points worth mentioning.

Logically, if Home had the technological capability at the moment to offer a higher active-item limit and a higher total-item limit, they'd probably have done it by now. Doesn't mean they're not working on it, or that it's never going to happen; it just means that a core-client update like that would take a while.

Keep in mind that while Home is a for-profit enterprise, it's also completely free to use. If Home ever went to a subscription model, then that'd be a different story; but as long as it's free, I really can't complain about them wanting to generate revenue from me whenever possible. Home may be a virtual society, but it's still a society run by a business.

Regarding region hopping: while I personally have little issue with it, it's worth remembering that each region of Home is run by a separate business entity -- SCEA, SCEE, SCEJ, etc. -- and thus there's really no financial incentive to make it easier for users to region hop, or to provide auto-translation services.

Trust me, I think nearly everyone shares the frustration over the item limits. But let's say it was raised to one-hundred instead of fifty; how long until people start complaining that it should be raised to two-hundred? There will always be a desire for more.

Should developers stop creating virtual commodities for Home just because of the item limits? Heck no. That's like saying Walmart should scale back on the commodities they offer because I couldn't possibly buy and utilize all of them.

Again, it's worth noting that The Powers That Be are almost certainly aware of the clamoring to raise the item limits. But I'll wager something like that is a massively complicated and expensive process which takes a long time to put together. Let's remember that every time we see a new product launch in Home, it's been in the works for months. Possibly longer. So there's always going to be a time delay between consumer trend and commodity release.

Hope that helps.

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on: September 19, 2011, 11:29
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Well of course ppl would start to want a higher limit soon after they raised it,it's mankinds nature to want more of a good thing even if that good thing was just increased last week but that shouldn't stop them from raising the item limit.This item limit thing really is something that should've been obvious to anyone that it would be problematic for users right from the start.Now if the problem is a technical 1 I wonder just how much effort is being put into adjusting it as it seems that the concentration is on games atm.No way for us to really know whether or not any effort is being directed at this until it actually goes up which is why ppl keep bringing it up and I suspect will continue to keep bringing it up until there is some word from Sony that it's being worked on.Yes this virtual world is run by a business,and 1 thing businesses used to do quite well is find a need/want and fill that need/want for a price.Well the demand is certainly there for a higher item limit,it would be rather simple to monetize the supply,seems like business 101.However I haven't heard of anyone saying "Gee I wish there were more games on Home."yet we will be getting many soon.(I have heard the"there's nothing to do on Home." statement but that doesn't necessarily translate to a demand for games,that's a demand for entertainment.Entertainment can come in many different forms,games being only 1 of those forms.)In the case of games there is demand but there is also already a large supply.In the case of higher item limits,and other society enhancing ideas,there is demand but little supply.In business 101 when there is high demand with little supply you get to basically name your price if your a supplier.

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Post Re: Active Item Limit and a new Home Bill of Rights
on: September 19, 2011, 20:35
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I think the argument that Home is free so don't expect much is an argument that can't be won. Television is free too but we all know one way or another we pay somehow for both. Also the argument if we raise the limit to 100 they will want more rings hollow too. You could say that about everything in life so why bother improving anything? Basically none of these arguments including walmart one is kind of avoiding the original issue and supporting the status quo. I am getting tired of people always making excuses of why some things dont change. Its always "this is how we can't do it" I would like to hear "this is how we can do it". I have been in Home since Dec.08 and while there has been some improvement there have been important basic issues that have remained the same and even maybe a little worse. Also who is going to pay for the $200 million dollar loss that Sony suffered and why isnt hacking being made an act of terrorism with serious prison time for all involved? Because while the hackers and Sony and others fight it out guess who is going to pay? The poor kid who is trying to buy something with a psn card. I think the recent TOS made that pretty clear when you read between the lines.

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