LOST Series Finale: Love, Hate and Everything Inbetween

Hilary: LOST is over, I am a blubbering mess, Kevin and Parker, discuss! 

Kevin: Awful. 

Parker: Love it. haha 

Hilary: I, um am still blowing my nose 

Kevin: Non-sensical petering out of actually thinking out an ending. 

Hilary: JAAAACK! is the new WAAAALT! 

Parker: Made perfect sense to me. 

Hilary: Too much sentiment for me but overall ok with it 

Parker: Well, some of the sentiment really worked 

Hilary: It sure did! Jackob and Vince got me sobbing! 

Kevin: I think by the 19th flashing it was kind of old. 

Hilary: <-----blubbering.  Parker, you're not very sentimental, what did you think of that aspect?

Parker: I don't understand the hostility. This show was always about personal connections. That's how it had to end.  I feel fully emotionally satisfied by the ending. 

Hilary: Did you tear up at all or remain classicly stone faced? 

Parker:  I was misty, for sure.  But there were some chicks here, so I stayed cool. 

Hilary: I'll take "misty."

Kevin: Honestly, go back and watch any random episode from the entire series. And then connect it to this "we're meeting up in heaven" crap. 

Hilary: I guess that whole "Jack in Hell" spoiler was total BS 

Kevin: Not really. Hell was probably that glowing red cave 

Parker: Ah, see that's where I think people missed out here. I dont think we should think about heaven or purgatory 

Hilary: I think it was Kevin who was in Hell.

Parler: There was no linear timeline in the "other" space, whatever you want to call it 

Kevin: That's the big finale of LOST. We put a big rock back in a hole, and meet up in "not-heaven." 

Parker: People can only meet in heaven after everyone has died 

Hilary: I am confused about who is dead 

Kevin: WE'RE ALL DEAD 

Hilary: We are? 

Parker: No one, everyone, it doesn't matter.

Hilary: Wait, Bruce Willis is dead?

Kevin: It matters!

Parker: Only love and people 

Hilary: Why does it matter? 

Kevin: What kind of ending is that to a show to have crazy explanation and brush it off with "it doesnt matter" 

Hilary: I like how Claire and company were at table 23.  That's about all the mythology I can handle. 

Kevin: Why is there even a world in the flash-sideways? Why does he have a son? 

Hilary: Guys, the message is "believe in duct tape!" Miles called it. 

Kevin: Why did they go to the trouble of showing us an underwater island?

Hilary: Why are Apollo bars outselling Snickers? 

Parker: I don't get the hostility. The series was never ever about answering these kinds of questions. It was all personal arcs, coming to emotional resolution, the Island and all the details were secondary 

Kevin: I get what you're saying. That its more about the emotions and such. But that's where I disagree.  You can have your message, and your emotions, and your arcs 

Hilary: It was about the people, not the means to the end. 

Kevin: But you need something to ground it in...

Hilary: Interior logic? 

Kevin: And it wasn't the character arcs that hooked people to this show. I disagree there.  It was the Island, and the details, and the mystery. 

Parker: I love that my feet aren't on solid ground I hated the Jacob episode because it tried to answer too much. 

Hilary: If the characters sucked no one would give two sh*ts about an Island 

Parker: Origin stories rape good mysteries.

Kevin: But don't you see? You need both.  

Hilary: I will say the characters outweigh...

Kevin: Logic? Reason? 

Parker: Crazy, metaphysical island, the culmination of all philosphy, all religion, all physics, how could they possibly satisfy all the threads and physical details? 

Hilary: Kevin, what did you want going into this finale? 

Kevin: Back to the Future created internal logic, but made no goddamn sense. What did I want? I wanted the emotional resolutions, and SOME effort at satisfying all the people out there captivated by the mystery. 

Hilary: I think there were definite EMOTIONAL resolutions 

Kevin: Yes. Good. Great. 

Hilary: I was sort of hoping for some crazy play with the sideways 

Kevin: I didn't know what they were going for there. setting up this concert as the climax of the flash sideways world. 

Hilary: Bring everyone together, connecting them all

Parker: They needed it, because they couldn't have proven that point in the real world 

Kevin: Yeah, I mean i get it in retrospect, i just mean before when they kept building up to it.  I mean...the emotional resolution for these guys is great...but it's gonna last all of a week

Hilary: I loved when Kate was like "Christian Shephard?" Are you serious? 

Parker: Ha 

Hilary: So you're saying once I stop crying I'll be pissed? 

Kevin: And then the rest of this series is gonna fall apart because nothing adds up. 

Hilary: I was never good at math so I am ok with that. 

Parker: What's not adding up for you?  I'm not getting the problem. 

Kevin: The more you think about the series, the more its gonna be like...wait...they never addressed that...what was the point then? we had all these episodes deal with "the sickness" which Sayid and Claire just...overcame. 

Hilary: I also love that part of Jin and Sun's resolution was being told there English is excellent by Juliet.

Kevin: Whoops, so much for those four episodes. 

Hilary: Also I didn't know Sayid and Shannon were THAT serious! 

Kevin: Right? 

Parker: Man, that kinda stuff bothers you? 

Kevin: That's a sh*tty guest call. 

Parker: You're gonna be miserable then I mean we could go point by point through all these small threads like that but you'll never be satisfied. 

Hilary: He has a point there. 

Kevin: Cause what was the point of investing in all this stuff? Like I said, you need both the character stuff and the logic.  

Hilary: It's the characters you invest in, the mythology changes. 

Parker: The point was to give you something to look at, to provide a context of a place where weird shit happens as for sickness, I could think of several explanations. MiB corruption. but yes, it could be overcome, because he was not the real power on the Island. 

Hilary: I enjoyed Richard Alpert's grey hair.

Parker: And he was wrong. 

Kevin: Thats so lazy to me. 

Hilary: Some folks postulated MIB and Jacob are two sides of the same coin. 

Kevin: It's such lazy writing to have an "excuse" to show weird shit. 

Parker: I dont think so.  You're holding on too hard. 

Hilary: Let go Kevin, let go! 12:15 AM l

Kevin: Lost is a good show because of its character arcs. 

Hilary: I got mad when Hurley said "I have a bad feeling about this." 

Kevin: But it was a PHENOMENON because of how cool and engaging it was. Of course, the writers are human, and can make mistakes. 

Hilary: NOT DARLTON!!! 

Kevin: And I really dislike how Lindelcuse just kind of ignored that part of it. It seems to me that like...yes, they can't pander and make the show about giving answers BUT... 

Parker: But the scope of what they set out to do, the fact they got it made, and finished it in a such a manner, is a phenomenal success. 

Kevin: In their efforts to be independent...they went too far. They overcompensated, in my opinion. 

Parker: Fair enough but that kinda stuff was never why I watched. 

Kevin: And the more I think about season six, the madder I get. 

Hilary: Parker, was there anything you didn't like about the finale? Anything you wished they did? 

Kevin: I mean really, think about it, the light hole? We've spent all of one episode even AWARE of that ridiculous thing and THAT's the climax of the entire series.

Parker: Right, the light hole was the worst part. 

Hilary: The light hole was just a representation of the Island and its power, we always knew the Island needed protection. 

Kevin: All the flash-sideways from every episode? Tension = gone because it's all a crazy afterlife dream. 

Parker: BECAUSE they tried to answer a metaphysical question with a concrete plot device. shouldnt have been attempted keep mystery, much more entertaining 

Hilary: I could have done without it and been ok. 

Kevin: At LEAST give a line or two of dialogue to how the light hole had to do with electromagnetism or something not "evil." 

Hilary: Electromagnetism is EVIL!!!! 

Parker: I just cant believe you're feel cheated by not getting solid answers for a show called LOST. 

Kevin: The climax of the Island's story is that if you pull the big rock out, the lights will turn red, stuff will start sinking, Smoke becomes mortal, and trees fall over. We put the stone tampon back in "God's Vaj-Island."

Parker: Ambiguity was always how this was going down.

Hilary: The light hole showed what happened when they tried to be more literal about all this stuff. No one liked it. 

Parker: Yep. 

Kevin: There's literal, and there's "a light in the center of the Island" 

Hilary: "Across the Sea" will be considered one of the worst episodes of the series. 

Kevin: The hatch and the Incident...all equally insane with the light hole, different but at least with the Incident, there's SOME attempt to rationalize things within this world.  I remember one of the lamer moments of "Across the Sea," down in the Donkey Wheel. 

Hilary: Well, the Light Hole was an attempt to answer bigger questions, the metaphysical as Parker said. 

Kevin: "We're going to use water, and wood to manipulate the light."

Parker: I think we're arguing the same point here. I didn't like the Light Hole either. But I'm glad they didn't explain it further. 

Kevin: Like...WHAT?! 

Hilary: Ok, so let's move on.  Favorite moment, anyone?  For me, it was the last damn shot. 

Kevin: The emotional punches are good. 

Hilary: Jack and Vincent 

Kevin: Charlie and Claire.  

Parker: Aaron being born was pretty powerful. 

Hilary: You liked Charlie and Claire getting together?  

Kevin: Well, you know. take your pick. Sun and Jin had a nice thing.  All the flashes were very moving, if repetitive. Locke and Ben. 

Hilary: True and true.  I loved the moment where Jackob leapt off the rock onto MIB. 

Parker: Jack saying "see you in another life, brotha" to Desmond. 

Hilary: That was boss. 

Parker: So cool. 

Kevin: LOL. It had to be raining, right? Thats really gonna bring the drama. Rain. 

Parker: Yeah, the storm was cliche. 

Hilary: That scene reminded me of Obi-Wan versus Anakin in  episode three. 

Parker: Ha, an old literary device.

Hilary: You talkin about books? 

Parker: Narratives are narratives 

Kevin: You know, there's plenty of fan service to enjoy.  "See you in another life, brotha."  

Hilary: There was tons! 

Kevin: The cameos (still waiting on Mr. Eko the WHOLE TIME)

Parker: Ha 

Kevin: The closing shot.  Plenty to enjoy and keep you happy, but like a good night out, you're gonna have a bad morning after. 

Hilary: Well, Kevin you plan to rewatch anytime soon? Think you might have a different perspective on the whole series? 

Kevin: Perhaps once my initial rage subsides. 

Hilary: Well, that's the thing or is it truly ruined for you? 

Parker: I still really disagree, but I was not watching for those answers. 

Hilary: Honestly, I thought it was fine 

Kevin: This...dying and meeting up in an alternatimeheaven resolution it adds...NOTHING to the rest of the series...if i go back and rewatch an episode with this in mind 

Parker: Really? The whole point of the show was about bringing these people together. 

Kevin: It'll just be like, "yeah, they had thought of none of this back then." 

Parker: And now they are all together

Kevin:  ...So? Is that what we should take away? They're together and happy in heaven? Pass the sugar. 

Hilary: Kevin, what did you want to take away from this? 

Parker: I don't think of it as heaven me neither. 

Kevin: I wanted to have some indication of why everything that happened to these people was important. and I don't think we got that.  Kate...might have lived to 95, married Sawyer for all we know 

Parker: Of course it was. they never would've come to that emotional resolution if they hadn't come to the Island. 

Kevin: So thats...60+ years of her life we're just ignoring because "time has no meaning here." 

Parker: What? They were never going to live 60 years together, they were always going to find each other and realize the truth that was the whole reason the alternateverse existed and they wrote in the alterverse, because they couldn't concievably show us and explain that to us on the normal island.  Too many moving parts to bring back together. 

Kevin: But what about the stuff I was saying, all the tension we had in the flash sideways in other episodes sun getting shot Kate running from the law none of that means anything now? what was the point? If Sun hadn't been shot, she wouldn't have realized the truth in the hospital bed. 

Hilary: It's just how they came together. 

Parker: Thread after thread, if you keep dwelling on causation you'll just make yourself miserabler. 

Kevin: And that's my problem with the show.  I will not give them credit, because they didn't pay attention to both sides. I think they wanted to have their cake and eat it too, and I dont appreciate that. 

Hilary: I can't believe I'd say this about LOST but I think you're reading into it too much. 

Parker: It aint called FOUND.  

Kevin: Well it's art, it's meant to be read into and it's LOST, not Glee. 

Hilary:Ooooh 

Parker: Haha 

Kevin: LOST is such an epic effort on all fronts. 

Hilary: Ok, one last note. What do you think of the possibility of more LOST?  Is it possible? 

Parker: God, I hope not. Let it stand on it's own. 

Kevin: I didn't think it was possible before this finale, and I wouldn't even want it now. 

Hilary: You are so over. 

Parker: it it wasn't perfect, but we'll never see a serial effort like that on network TV ever again. 

Kevin: I came in in the 5th season, and caught myself up so I was a degree of "over it" from the start. 

Parker: I'll watch it again on DVD in a few years.

Kevin: But this...yeah. this just killed it for me. 

Hilary: LOST is officially dead for you. 

Parker: Fresh eyes. Maybe I;ll feel like Kevin then. but now I think they accomplished something really great. 

Kevin: I'll have to do a lot of reading, hear what Lindelcuse has to say on it and all but I dont think it'll change my mind. 

Hilary: They prolly won't say much for a while. 

Kevin: LOST is a great series. But that ending was not for me. 

Hilary: It was good enough 

Parker: It was flawed all over the place but the accomplishment, and striking that note of emtoional resolution the light...big projects like this are all about what's possible to get done and I'm glad they were able to do. 

Hilary: Ok. all. Signing off, namaste! 

Kevin: Live together, die alone!