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BitRunner
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on: May 31, 2011, 05:47
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This is the kind of thing I really can't post over on the PS forums because there are a lot of people with the blinders on at all times.

I've been away from the Home community for about a year now before recently coming back, somehow the attack on PSN kind of drew me back in, I've been busy in the last year trying to become in expert in 3D modeling/animation. I was in the first wave of HCVs and some interpersonal drama that's not worth going into happened. After the fact, the management told me they'd be implementing a no-dating policy within the HCVs which I was pretty cool with, and then I've come to find way after the fact that they've allowed Jersquall and Sophronia to be HCVs together, and I'm hearing things from different people about that whole situation. I'm pretty surprised at the general lack of common sense here from a corporation, but ok, I'll bite.

That's only the tip of the iceberg though, I was gone for pretty much a year and within that time I really haven't seen a whole lot developed. Whatever happened to the big trophy rooms? More club houses? Now the EA Complex, the big shining example of 3rd party development, is now gone? On top of it all a large-scale hacking attack on PSN with a store that's now down I guess until tomorrow. Am I missing anything else that's of a pretty epic mention here? Might as well get out all the surprises out of the way lol.

Wow, is this as good as it gets? I enjoyed Home back during closed beta, and I felt as a welcome part of the community until the hell I ended up enduring, but it's all a thing of the past as far as I'm concerned. Is this the hand of God coming down for revenge on Sony on all of the people that Home has turned away from PSN, with mentions here and there of moderator abuse? Is it revenge on all the clubs that acted elitist toward people? Is it revenge on turning away from the original ideas of Home that Phil Harrison once drew us all in with? Is it revenge for allowing Conrad Max to run amok in the community forums throwing all of his obvious anger issues out there on unsuspecting people trying to have intelligent discussions?

Philosophically no matter what people are doing in a community you have to look at the way the community is being managed in order to really grasp the bigger picture of why things are happening the way they're happening. I'm a big believer in that. I really hate this all. Home had a huge amount of potential in the beginning, but now I'm seeing that potential thrown by the wayside. I still think it's a great platform but the marketing strategies really need to change, they need to go back to the ideals of that inviting community that was going to allow all of us to share our unique identity on PSN. If Sony doesn't start getting its act together, I really don't see them remaining competitive into the next generation of consoles.

What are your thoughts about all of this? Let's have a real discussion here.

keara22hi
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on: May 31, 2011, 08:01
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BitRunner, it really disturbs me to see someone I like and respect in so much pain. I can understand where this is coming from - many of us have had our own moments of despair in here. Many of us went through our own trials in Home before we started to find each other and create a common purpose: to make it better. Like the old cliche that it is "better to light a candle than to curse the darkness", a group started this magazine and others eagerly joined. We wanted to envision what can be as well as to celebrate the best that currently exists. Yes, the writers in HSM do take issue with situations that urgently needed to be addressed. Our method, however, is to propose possible solutions whenever we identify a problem.

If you will look at the articles and interviews in the latest issue of the magazine as well as past issues plus the 250+ website articles that appeared only in the website and not the magazine, you will see what we are doing. Is it working? Yes - slowly, tentatively, we are moving, working at getting through to the people who can make the changes to improve Home. We are reaching a huge audience: HSM is being read in 127 countries now by tens of thousands of Home users. We are also being read by almost every developer in the world and by many of the top executives of Sony/Home in NA and EU.

If you want a real discussion here, let's make it constructive: what are the things that need to be changed and how, realistically, how could they be changed? Let's take those issues one at a time and come up with a consensus. Some of the brightest minds in Home are either writing for HSM or reading it daily. In addition, we have programmers and developers and designers reading this thing. If an idea we propose is impossible ("That requires a complete core re-write!") then at least we know where the limits are. And if an idea we propose can be profitable, I think it is likely that at least one of the smart developers reading this will jump on it.

Let's do it, BitRunner. What do you have to lose? And please read my cover story for Issue 5, "Take An Inside Look At Home", before you decide.

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on: May 31, 2011, 09:58
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Well before i even read the article i have to agree with the assertion that internal dramas in Home have chased away many ppl,i'd pick it for the #1 reason if making a list.Ok off to go reading i'll try to add to this if possible,and in a constructive way.

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on: May 31, 2011, 12:02
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Ok done reading,good job Keara.I'd really love to have a frank and honest discussion with you BitRunner but i'm not sure what potentialities you are refering to that never materialized except the trophy room which i'm kinda glad never made it.The only thing i can refer to for now is the hints of Mod misbehavior,i've seen and heard things that seem to indicate there might be something to it.Getting into an open and frank discussion might be hard as it seems some ppl are very emotional about certain aspects of Home so i hope you have a seat belt handy but i'll not accuse you of evil intent for merely bringing these things up.As my new favorite quote says"If everyone is thinking alike then someone's not thinking"-George Patton

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on: May 31, 2011, 12:17
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And as for Sony really listening well...let's see.Wish list time,1st i'd like the club menu's fixed or put back the way they used to be,as they are now large organizations have to perform amazing feats of juggling to move ppl from 1 club to another.2nd Could there be a way to combine the PS3 browser to the t,v,'s in hollywood hills and sunset yatch?It becomes a pain to log out of Home to look something up then log back in.Lastly with the ability to buy and download games through the ps store why even have developers make a disc for games?I downloaded the DLC for blk-ops why couldn't i have just done the same for blk-ops or any other game?It would save on packaging,shipping,retail store mark-up and i think might make a $60 game much cheaper for the end user.

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on: May 31, 2011, 12:22
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Of course the above post isn't just for Sony,if any 1 has answers to those questions feel free to answer,i won't get offended honest.

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Post Re: What Have I Come Back To?
on: May 31, 2011, 22:24
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Quote from keara22hi on May 31, 2011, 08:01
Let's do it, BitRunner. What do you have to lose? And please read my cover story for Issue 5, "Take An Inside Look At Home", before you decide.

No problem Kearra, I have a tendency to skip a few steps because I've been posting suggestions and possible workarounds for years now on the Home forums. So with that said, let me go ahead and reiterate some of those here for the subjects at hand.

As far as user generated content I'm of course talking about TVs, Stereos, blogs, and anything else I've missed that Phil Harrison originally presented as ideas for Home. The whole idea of streaming videos from PS3s is never going to work because of upload bandwidth constraints from consumer broadband internet providers anyway. It needs to be done with cloud computing, as in Soundcloud, Youtube, Vimeo, just to name a few suggestions. I think that's pretty much a no brainer and offsets the legality issues pretty easily. All of the technology is there to do it, I honestly don't see why this hasn't been done yet.

Facebook connectivity is an absolute must for the platform in this day and age of social gaming. The ability to invite friends from our wall to private parties and the like is an absolute no brainer, the ability to post high scores in games and other achievements would be a very welcome benefit that would help bring in the kind of advertising Home needs on a social level. The best advertising, as they say, is word of mouth, how do you think Zynga's games (Farmville, Mafia Wars, etc) got so popular?

On that token comes rethinking the whole gaming model. I'm a big believer as I've posted on the Home forums that in order to make the gaming really take off it's going to have to be more interactive and engage users in more cooperative and competitive gaming. They really need to get Hasbro on board to make multiplayer games for their board game lines I think those would do really well in Home. It's absolutely essential in this platform to be able to provide users a way to game together, chat together about the games, compete for high scores against the community and be recognized for their achievements, in a casual atmosphere. When you leave users with nothing to do but play alone and chat in lobbies well it's really just not that much fun for anyone, I feel the platform is being heavily underutilized in this regard. Simply throwing out single player games in a social network doesn't work, that's been time tested. Casual multiplayer gaming is where you actually introduce an environment that allows gamers to chat with each other. Some of my best interactions in Home have been in playing pool in the Bowling Alley, they need to revisit that and work on a good multiplayer model.

As far as the HCV program, as a previous HCV member I'm going to throw in my 2 cents about the program. I really don't think that it's good for anything more than creating divisions among the community, and I don't see a whole lot of benefit that's actually come out of the program. I think it's time to reevaluate if this program is actually giving any kind of real benefit to the community at large. The simple fact of the matter is that HCVs are not supposed to act like mods, at least that was my understanding coming in, and Conrad Max has done exactly that. It deters users from having intelligent conversations in the main forum whenever the "albatross" drops in bombs a thread. Let's just call it what it is. If Sony is going to continue the program they need to really review the dating policy as well, it's just not good common sense in any business to allow that to happen, most corporations today don't allow dating within business units, it just leads to all kinds of unfair business practices and potential HR issues.

I think that's a pretty good start so far.

cthulu93
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on: June 1, 2011, 00:15
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Well i'll start with what i agree with you about,i agree that what i'd call "social games",games where the players can freely chat while playing,is a very good thing.Even if it's just text chatting,as poker used to be,it really gives the game an added dimension or 2.As for the HCV dating policy i'd agree in principle that romantic entanglements can cause big problems and probably should be disallowed to keep everything looking ethical.Now to the disagreement,as someone who is a total outsider to the HCV program it seems to me to fill a very real need in Home,basically it allows the average user a way to find things that might not be found so easily.On the 2or3 occasions that i've actually talked to an HCV they did seem to know or were able to find out fairly quickly the answers to some difficult questions.Atm Sony doesn't provide us with an info. booth so it's the best we have atm.As for facebook being essential to Homes future,i don't quite see why it would be so important.I can see why it might be useful but i don't see why it's an absolute must,maybe it's because i have no facebook account that i don't see it's import.What does seem vital to me however is that Sony listen to it's customers and give them as much as they can,realistically speaking,when it comes to options,games,and functionality.So if there is alot of ppl asking for the facebook thing then i'd agree it needs to happen but honestly this is the 1st time i've heard anyone ask for it.

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Post Re: What Have I Come Back To?
on: June 1, 2011, 01:09
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I think that's the whole issue here, whatever could be done by an HCV could be done better by an info booth. There will never be enough HCVs to cover all instances, it's better to make something more beneficial to the whole that doesn't create community-wide divisions.

As for Facebook it will be hard to adequately describe all of the benefits if you don't use it, but a lot of people do now and it's a great method of advertising among friends.

keara22hi
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on: June 1, 2011, 02:14
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I think a large part of the equation is money, BitRunner. We are talking about corporations that have to make a profit to survive. There is a big gulf between the older gamers in Home, most of whom started playing console games and PC games many years ago before online games, trophies, and posting high scores in games came along. In fact, on the message boards of places like GameFaqs umpteen years ago, being a 'completionist' was considered rather a sad way to spend one's life. You should read my article in here about Red Dead Redemption - it explores that issue in depth. I love playing RDR - alone. I hate playing RDR online.

And - the facts are - the over-35 age gamers have money. They buy lots of Sony products, not just games. They also spend a LOT of money in Home on personal spaces,items, clothes, Midway tickets, Lockwood tokens, etc. The social aspects of Home are far more important to them than any trophy room. Maybe if there had been trophies in Pong, I would have gotten hooked on them, but I managed to enjoy gaming ever since the days of Zork on an Apple II without them. It's the people who lay out the cash that makes a profit for the developers in Home who keep this place going,

The only way to bring back the poker rooms is to find a way to make it profitable to the developer who builds it and maintains it. That means fees for something. Maybe a set up like Midway with a few brief opportunities for free play and then tickets, tickets, tickets (ka-ching). Help me put together a plan that solves that situation, and we can take it to the developers as a suggestion. For example, your tournaments idea - yes, it would pack in the people but how would you attach fees to that to cover the costs of implementation? Let's think this through. I think it is possible.

Sure, Home has a lot of potential - but it costs money to create the new experiences, new spaces, new items. How much would you pay for that Trophy Room? Would it be worth $10. a month? Home has to be a profit center on its own. Read that interview with John Ardussi in Issue 5 that came out last night: 9 months of work by a lot of people (all of whom get paid salaries) to create a personal space that can sell for $4.99. How many people would have to be willing to pay enough for a Trophy Room to make it worth laying out the time and money to create? Or a new club room? Or a new poker parlor?

I completely agree with you about Hasbro games. The biggest demand I found in the market research I did on this issue was the demand for multi-player Scrabble. Again, the problem is the licensing fees. How many people would pay how much to play that in Home? I think Bingo has a better chance of being implemented for that very reason.

As for personalities in Home, people in Home are the same people in real life. BUT, in Home they have the shield of anonymity to hide behind and almost none of the social consequences for bad behavior. So - inhibitions disappear, pent-up anger and frustration leaking over from real life comes into play, and the 'real' person emerges. After I figured that one out, I stopped sweating the small "fecal matter". Trolls and pervs don't even faze me anymore. I realize they are probably sad pathetic loners in real life. But that's the small minority in Home. There are so many great people to meet, to talk with, to enjoy; just leave the others to torment themselves and anyone who pays attention to them.

Now as for this streaming idea: I want Country&Western music (lots of Garth Brooks, Travis Tritt, and Rascal Flatts, please, plus some classic Patsy Kline), comedy shows (especially Bill Hicks), and any movie with Johnny Depp in it. Otherwise, why would I want to pay for what it would cost to get the licensing rights to bring it into Home? There is such a huge cross-section of the NA population in here, who would decide what to stream? Would you want many different channels available to be able to satisfy everyone? Let's define exactly what we want and how we would pay for it.

As for anyone 'bombing' a thread in the Home Forum, ok, that does happen sometimes. Maybe that is why this Forum has become very popular with the 3-digit crowd (people with an IQ of at least 100). We don't get long threads by newcomers looking for the latest freebies or complaining because they cannot buy their favorite cartoon costumes here. The only time Norse yanks a post is when someone attacks another person, group, developer, or Sony itself. Constructive criticism, however, is welcomed - and encouraged - in HSM.

And please do not take my reply as any kind of an attack. Not at all. I respect your opinions and I am pushing you to take the next steps to go from recognizing a problem to creating a feasible solution. For example, I had the same thoughts about providing people a way to game together, talk to each other, build common interests. So I did a survey of 150 people in Home - a cross section of all ages, regions, etc. - and discovered that the most often requested games were Scrabble and Bingo. I also asked what they were willing to pay for more 'freemium' activities. I took that to I my developer friends and asked if these ideas were possible. Answers: Scrabble, No (licensing issues). Bingo, Possibly - and "we like the idea". Time frame for implementation: about 9 months. We can help make Home better, BitRunner.

You really need to go back to the steps you skipped and find out what this HSM crowd is all about. It might take you a few hours to go through the topics that do interest you but you will probably discover you have found a group of kindred souls. Welcome home!

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