1 00:00:00,689 --> 00:00:02,658 State department says secretary 2 00:00:02,658 --> 00:00:03,792 Antony blinken will urge an end 3 00:00:03,792 --> 00:00:05,828 to this cycle of violence when 4 00:00:05,828 --> 00:00:06,695 he gets the region next week. 5 00:00:06,695 --> 00:00:08,664 Let's get some perspective now 6 00:00:08,664 --> 00:00:10,399 on all this from -- 7 00:00:10,399 --> 00:00:12,568 a former state department 8 00:00:12,568 --> 00:00:13,802 negotiator, now a senior fellow 9 00:00:13,802 --> 00:00:15,804 at the -- 10 00:00:15,804 --> 00:00:16,405 international peace. 11 00:00:16,405 --> 00:00:18,474 Great to have you on the show. 12 00:00:18,474 --> 00:00:19,975 Why do you make of this 13 00:00:19,975 --> 00:00:21,810 decision by the Palestinian 14 00:00:21,810 --> 00:00:23,812 authority to hold security 15 00:00:23,812 --> 00:00:25,481 cooperation with Israel? 16 00:00:25,481 --> 00:00:28,083 Clearly, the situation, as we 17 00:00:28,083 --> 00:00:28,817 heard from hadas, there, is 18 00:00:28,817 --> 00:00:31,820 very volatile. 19 00:00:31,820 --> 00:00:33,822 >> This was not the first time 20 00:00:33,822 --> 00:00:35,924 and probably won't be the last. 21 00:00:35,924 --> 00:00:38,861 I think that -- 22 00:00:38,861 --> 00:00:40,329 under extraordinary pressure in 23 00:00:40,329 --> 00:00:42,431 the 18th year of a four-year 24 00:00:42,431 --> 00:00:44,366 term, most Palestinians, 25 00:00:44,366 --> 00:00:46,568 according to -- 26 00:00:46,568 --> 00:00:48,036 accusing the Palestinian 27 00:00:48,036 --> 00:00:50,205 authority of incompetence and 28 00:00:50,205 --> 00:00:54,109 corruption and worse. 29 00:00:54,109 --> 00:00:55,844 Somehow the policeman for the 30 00:00:55,844 --> 00:00:56,845 state of Israel policing the 31 00:00:56,845 --> 00:00:59,848 west bank against enemy 32 00:00:59,848 --> 00:01:00,415 occupation. 33 00:01:00,415 --> 00:01:02,651 It's in a tough position, he's 34 00:01:02,651 --> 00:01:03,318 done it before. 35 00:01:03,318 --> 00:01:04,887 I suspect when it comes to what 36 00:01:04,887 --> 00:01:06,688 I would describe as ticking 37 00:01:06,688 --> 00:01:07,856 bombs, that is to say 38 00:01:07,856 --> 00:01:09,858 Palestinian authorities 39 00:01:09,858 --> 00:01:11,860 receiving permission of an 40 00:01:11,860 --> 00:01:12,861 imminent terrorist attack in 41 00:01:12,861 --> 00:01:15,097 Israel, probably even the west 42 00:01:15,097 --> 00:01:15,864 bank, and they would continue 43 00:01:15,864 --> 00:01:18,400 to cooperate there. 44 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,636 This is not surprising, nor, 45 00:01:20,636 --> 00:01:26,341 frankly, is it insurgency raids 46 00:01:26,341 --> 00:01:28,443 in Geneva, which they have been 47 00:01:28,443 --> 00:01:29,878 undertaking for the last eight 48 00:01:29,878 --> 00:01:32,548 or nine months at considerable 49 00:01:32,548 --> 00:01:33,048 cost. 50 00:01:33,048 --> 00:01:37,085 >> How much, David, has the 51 00:01:37,085 --> 00:01:37,886 recent election, one of the 52 00:01:37,886 --> 00:01:39,388 most right-wing governments in 53 00:01:39,388 --> 00:01:41,423 Israeli history, how much is 54 00:01:41,423 --> 00:01:43,525 that inflaming an already 55 00:01:43,525 --> 00:01:44,593 volatile association? 56 00:01:44,593 --> 00:01:46,395 And of the rates were already 57 00:01:46,395 --> 00:01:48,397 happening under -- 58 00:01:48,397 --> 00:01:49,164 how much do you think that is 59 00:01:49,164 --> 00:01:49,898 inflaming the situation? 60 00:01:49,898 --> 00:01:53,468 >> I'll point out the fact that 61 00:01:53,468 --> 00:01:54,736 more Palestinians were killed 62 00:01:54,736 --> 00:01:59,107 in 2022 at any point since 2005, 63 00:01:59,107 --> 00:02:00,375 under both the benefit 64 00:02:00,375 --> 00:02:02,511 governments. 65 00:02:02,511 --> 00:02:05,914 The Israeli governments they 66 00:02:05,914 --> 00:02:08,850 are three of the most extremist 67 00:02:08,850 --> 00:02:10,018 ministers to ever hold a 68 00:02:10,018 --> 00:02:11,920 position, budgets and authority, 69 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:13,922 in any Israeli government. 70 00:02:13,922 --> 00:02:15,924 It's already demonstrated to me 71 00:02:15,924 --> 00:02:18,026 that the situation, 72 00:02:18,026 --> 00:02:18,794 particularly in the west bank, 73 00:02:18,794 --> 00:02:20,095 in and around Jerusalem, is 74 00:02:20,095 --> 00:02:22,064 going to get worse. 75 00:02:22,064 --> 00:02:23,932 You've got an Israeli 76 00:02:23,932 --> 00:02:24,800 government that have official 77 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,902 guidelines asserting exclusive 78 00:02:26,902 --> 00:02:29,104 and unquestioned right to the 79 00:02:29,104 --> 00:02:30,973 lands of Israel, the Jordanians 80 00:02:30,973 --> 00:02:34,810 from the west bank in 81 00:02:34,810 --> 00:02:35,243 Jerusalem. 82 00:02:35,243 --> 00:02:36,645 The situation is going to get 83 00:02:36,645 --> 00:02:38,780 worse before it gets worse. 84 00:02:38,780 --> 00:02:43,018 The painful reality that the 85 00:02:43,018 --> 00:02:44,186 ministry should understand, a 86 00:02:44,186 --> 00:02:47,089 pathway out of this just to 87 00:02:47,089 --> 00:02:47,522 stabilize the situation to