Comments on: Gaming Empathy http://www.hsmagazine.net/2013/12/gaming-empathy/ The PlayStation Home Magazine Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:20:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.2 By: KrazyFace http://www.hsmagazine.net/2013/12/gaming-empathy/#comment-287844 Thu, 02 Jan 2014 10:08:46 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=58299#comment-287844 The Last of Us got me emotionally within the first 10mins of playing. Probably because I’m a father to a little girl that I love more than anything else this world could muster; and Naughty Dog know their audience. I totally understand the angle you’re coming at about pointless violence in games though. But GTA5’s population ain’t as human as they might first appear. Not that I’m in the habit of dishing out batterings or shootings to random people -- heh, ammo’s too expensive for that malarkey! But I’ll happily fill a generic enemy with lead as I go through the missions; they all look/move and sound the same anyways, not much different to a zombie in my opinion.

The only time I had serious trouble with GTA5’s violence was when going through the torture scene, something I just won’t be repeating. Bye bye 100% on GTA5!

FPSes I stopped playing a LONG time ago, not because of the violence either, just the basic fact it’s the same tired formula every time; go here, shoot that, walk through this map shooting, then shoot some other stuff etc etc.

I’ve always played with “my conscience” whenever I’m able. Games that actively punish the player for mindless violence have always been welcomed by me. Things like being “de-synchronised” for randomly killing innocents in Assassin’s Creed keeps the less involved player from making the game a senseless violent mess.

Another great article Ted, and another interesting comment section born from it. I wish we could go for a beer! lol

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By: Godzprototype http://www.hsmagazine.net/2013/12/gaming-empathy/#comment-287832 Sun, 29 Dec 2013 16:00:13 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=58299#comment-287832 I think I am going to go get The Last of Us. These psychological elements to games like The Last of Us, and GTA V are new experiences for sure. And I have to agree. Shooting anything that moves gets old.

I can imagine the time factor in creating these games. It would be refreshing to see game developers create fresh new stories and try limiting themselves on how much hardcore violence is necessary to deliver a quality experience.

Great article Ted!

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By: RadiumEyes http://www.hsmagazine.net/2013/12/gaming-empathy/#comment-287831 Sun, 29 Dec 2013 15:43:20 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=58299#comment-287831 Violent games are difficult to asses, especially the ones you mentioned, Ted -- when developers first ventured into the FPS and RPG genres, we had games like Doom and the original Final Fantasy. Doom, for example, depicted a nameless soldier slogging through a hellish dimension populated by all sorts of demons you may encounter in Dungeons and Dragons (if more likely to carry firearms); it was brutal in scope, but something you don’t expect the average person to experience in real life. Cacodemons tend to be popular fantasy fodder, as they’re manifestations of malice and fright; Doom capitalized on that by making the player visit an actual hell, like a heavily armed Dante, wreaking havoc upon the forces of evil.

Now, the Final Fantasy series faced a different situation -- your primary antagonists were human, but you spent most of your time fighting random creatures that inhabit the world. The game may not give an in-universe explanation as to why every single creature you face is encountered through a battle; they simply exist as cannon fodder for the protagonists to level up, in order to take on the next boss. I can point to FFIV as a great example -- Kefka is one of the most effective villains in the franchise, and the story provides some great characterization on his part, so you know you had to take him down to save the planet. But what about the other living beings who share the same space as you? You’re looking at wolves, prehistoric creatures (such as the Cartarga) and even plans (such as the Rafflesia) -- probably due to their insignificance to the story, they’re nothing more than the stock “baddies” one must attack if you wish to level up.

That goes back to the Jay and Silent Bob quote you mentioned; fantasy RPGs offer quite a range of wildlife, but they unilaterally impede your progress, since they’re coded to simply be for the fight. We don’t really associate with them on a personal level, as they’re a dime a dozen -- there’s an odd sort of satisfaction in killing untold numbers of non-human animals, as if the empathy we share for fellow humans doesn’t extend to the rest of the animal kingdom.

If anything, games don’t quite reflect a violent society, at least not completely; the vast majority of us can identify good and bad ways of resolving situations, and games such as Call of Duty: Black Op and The Last of Us unnerve us precisely because they put the player in a very uncomfortable situation. The humans in these games aren’t physically corrupted by a virus (a la Resident Evil) or so monumentally evil that the world would be safer without their presence -- they’re presented as average humans who unfortunately happened to be on the “wrong” side of a video game. And that’s likely a major contributing factor; games simplify what would be very complicated international issues in real life, and the player navigates an environment wherein the primary objective is to shoot and move on (in the case of FPSes, anyway).

The moral dilemmas posed by recent games makes me think of how much gaming has changed. No longer can we expect a game to provide a simple narrative where you, the hero, fight through numerous underlings to reach the final boss and save the day -- a formula that made Mario games fun in their own right. But as the New Hollywood movement affected the presentation of protagonists, so did games such as The Last of Us; that “safety net” of the Good Fight against the Forces of Evil is thwarted by the real human cost of the experience.

That being said, I loved your article, Ted. I’d agree with your perspective on violence at the end -- growing older, we understand violence more, and it’s a terrible thing to inflict upon a society. Games that present a heavy dose of violent confrontation remind me of how films were like from the ‘6os onward; we’ve had films like the horror movies starring Peter Cushing, the Troma studios releases, RoboCop, Rambo, Bonnie and Clyde, The Wild Bunch, Taxi Driver and a host of others. The difference here is that you personally get involved in the storyline -- you’re the protagonist, wading through a sea of social insanity, but for what? Maybe there’s a slight nihilistic undertone to all this, what with how we treat NPCs that fight us, but that’s the risk developers took when creating these games.

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By: Burbie52 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2013/12/gaming-empathy/#comment-287830 Sun, 29 Dec 2013 13:44:49 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=58299#comment-287830 I also usually have a hard time with shooters. I won’t buy GTA5 or any other game of its ilk, I just don’t seen the draw. Never played any of the war games, first person or otherwise, but I do like Borderlands which was a surprise for me. Of course in that game all of the people you kill are mutants or so depraved you can’t consider them human anymore really.
In games like FF14 you have to kill humans at times as well, though the bulk of what you kill is monsters. These humans are attacking your home though and leave you little choice to defend yourself as they attack you first in most cases.
The same is true of Skyrim and many other RPG titles.
I like to take breaks from all of them and play other types of games as well like puzzle games and Journey or Unfinished Swan. I am not sure what attracts us to games that require us to kill things, I think it has been a part of video gaming since it started so it has just become a part of what we expect to have to do.
Great article as always Ted, I always enjoy your outlook on things.

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By: FEMAELSTROM http://www.hsmagazine.net/2013/12/gaming-empathy/#comment-287828 Sun, 29 Dec 2013 06:25:46 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=58299#comment-287828 Ted, I wrote on what I believe are the evils of GTAV, and I am glad that you face the same moral questions of the ethics of realistic violence. Yes I too have slain hordes of the undead in the realm of God of War, but like you I dont see that as equal to the vileness of the type of mayhem of a GTAV. I feel all violence is bad and recently have seen my gaming shift to games like Journey, Flower and Gran Turismo. Games of beauty, art and skill. Yes, I will fall back into some games that may be violent, but deep down there will always be the feeling that I am doing something bad. I am an expert at the old PS2 game “Star Wars Battlefront II”.I killed near 100,000 stormtroopers and clones,because they were the evil Empire, but wow did I feel crumby when I accidentally killed innocent jawas. I suppose it’s good to feel this way.Great article.

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