Comments on: Snakes in the Garden http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/ The PlayStation Home Magazine Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:20:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.2 By: FEMAELSTROM http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-191843 Wed, 08 Aug 2012 16:21:44 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-191843 Thanks for the comment Gary, though I have one item to say about switching genders. Aside from my love for my very own ‘Pinky’, there is a plus in the ability to change genders. Aside from the collectors that try to collect everything and I do mean EVERYTHING, and those who genuinely love to simply do so, there is a need for women. The ability to change genders as I have seen it over time I have been here is simply a great defense device. It is a great cloak. Women can change to males avatars and go about their business at a game place and not be sexually harrassed or trolled. I give Sony 3 thumbs up for allowing this ability as it has served many ladies I know.

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By: Gary160974 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-191496 Wed, 08 Aug 2012 06:36:10 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-191496 There are better block methods that could of been used no one when creating home looked at others and learnt how to block or kick. Some turn the offending avatar into a human shaped blob that cannot interact with you, some have a kick system where if enough people vote you are kicked from that room and cannot return for 20 minutes. Nearly all social applications I know only allow an account to be single sex as well so if you pick male your avatar is male forever. instead home just tolerates it making some spaces no go zones if you dont want to be attacked all the time. its a circle home needs more users that are a better class to afford better moderation, but without better moderation its not going to get those users

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By: KrazyFace http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-190625 Tue, 07 Aug 2012 07:19:44 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-190625 I agree with you kid, that could be abused so badly, however, his other ideas are bang-on and should be implemented asap.

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By: Kid Fleetfoot http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-190463 Tue, 07 Aug 2012 00:35:51 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-190463 What HearItWow said re racking up 10 reports and getting suspended until moderators review the case, I strongly disagree with.
There’s too much danger of the “bad guys” filing false reports against innocent people.
The rest of the post are options to be considered.

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By: HearItWow http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-190395 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:49:41 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-190395 The main problem with moderation in Home is its lack of transparency. Nobody really knows what happens when a report is filed, neither the griefer nor the griefee. Everything vanishes into the ether, which leaves the victims feeling like reporting is useless and the trolls feeling like they have immunity.

Pushing a little bit of direct feedback to the trolls might go a long way toward solving the problem. When a report is filed against someone, two things should happen:

1. The person who has been reported is automatically blocked and ignored for the person who files the report. If the person who has been reported then tries to communicate with the person who reported them, they get a message informing them that they have been blocked, along with the report category for the block (stalking, harassment, racial slurs, etc.)

2. The person who has been reported gets a message informing them that they have been reported. The ID of the person who reported them is not included, to prevent retaliation.

Once these alerts and messages start piling up, some of these trolls might see the error of their ways. At the very least, seeing a long stream of messages with subjects such as, “You have been reported for racist comments” or “You have been reported for stalking” will give them some insight into how they’re seen by the rest of the Home community.

If that doesn’t cut down on the problem, it’s time to go nuclear. Rack up 10 reports in a certain period of time, you get suspended until moderation can review your case. Given how busy the moderators are, that’s probably a week.

Moderating and then banning is a bit too much of a cart before the horse situation. Will some innocent people get suspended? Probably. Is that a reasonable price to pay for solving the problem? Unless you value your personal convenience over having a more respectful online community, yes, it is, and any group of people who false report to get an innocent user banned should face a one-month suspension, to deter that type of behavior.

These are simple fixes that are long overdue. If Sony sends a message that harassment and stalking will not be tolerated, it won’t stop entirely, but the incidents of it will go down dramatically.

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By: FEMAELSTROM http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-190336 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 17:34:42 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-190336 Yes women are also trolls, but that is a far smaller problem than the trolls that aree male, and in the year I’ve been here, the female trrolls have been few and very far between.

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By: riff http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-190307 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 16:35:21 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-190307 I think we actually agree Kass. I just am not that offended because I dont want to waste my time letting them make me angry. I can’t control them, their behavior or Sony’s reaction to it- what I can control is how I conduct myself in the face of adversity. And I am inclined to agree with Kori -women are guilty of heinous behavior here too. No one talks too much about that.

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By: FEMAELSTROM http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-190272 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:56:12 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-190272 I want to applaud you Unknown. You showed us all exactly what I was talking about. Perfect timing.

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By: FEMAELSTROM http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-190271 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:54:50 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-190271 This reply is to the concept that some are desensitized. Dlyrius, you’re my friend and in that I value you, but I have to disagree. It’s verbal assault and nobody should ever be desensitized to that. it should be upsetting to everybody all the time, and as a man, I am comfy because it rarely happens to guys, but as the ‘Pinky’ female I created, I have seen gross and disgusting examples of trolls, all of which chould never be desensitized to. And ladies with crock skin, it’s not fair to make that requirement of them.

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By: FEMAELSTROM http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-190268 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:47:53 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-190268 One of the big issues I had in writing this was the fact that though there are some very strong willed women here on home, there are women that are still not at all comfy with the first attack and sometimes thats the most shocking attack. The stories I can relay would never get past moderation and were never considered to put into the stories because they are too vile to print. That it happens at all to any woman needs attention.

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By: KrazyFace http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-190116 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 07:47:44 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-190116 NA Home seems to have trolls that can be talked to, which is a new thing to me still. Generally I just wait to see what their deal is, if they go away after being ignored for 5mins then great! If not, then I’ll just troll-out on them myself. A few of my friends have been. kinda shocked at the bile that can come from my keyboard, a couple of my more masochistic friends love it when I snap, and to be honest, I can enjoy it too. I guess we all have a festering pit inside us someplace, it’s just a case of having control of it, or even being able to accept it to use as a tool. People like OP of this thread prove that a lot of the time it’s just a simple case of ignorance or immaturity, which in my book requires a life-lesson to be taught and a little taste of their own medicine.

For the days I just can’t be bothered, I find the ignore tab to be all I need

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By: kori239 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-190029 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 04:21:13 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-190029 There may be a middle ground that can be reached. That would be possibly a WARNING people with no life or mental problems bully here. Or very direct directions on how to block. :)

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By: kori239 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-190021 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 04:03:58 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-190021 It isn’t all about men. There are women on Home that are horrible and very catty. They bully due to insecurities, and possible mental illness. It is a virtual world. It is what it is. Associate with people that are good, don’t live their life virtually, and make good choices. That is one of the beauties of it. You have those options to block such people, and act mature enough to handle it as an adult! BLOCK BLOCK BLOCK! <3

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By: kori239 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-190018 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 03:59:31 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-190018 <3 so true!

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By: Kassadee Marie http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-189998 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 03:09:01 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-189998 I’m sorry, but I have to disagree. Yes, we do see a cross section of society here, but it is an anonymous cross section for the most part and that changes some people… it worsens them. Perhaps those “construction workers” feel a similar sense of anonymity due to the distance from the passers-by. I, too, have learned not to feed the trolls by responding to them, in most cases. However, I am not going to stand there while they kneel down with their faces too close to my avatar’s body. Perhaps I identify too closely with my avatar, but that is something I can NOT stand. Also, the situation may not be devastating to you or me, but it can be devastating to others. If for no other reason, Sony should take stronger action just to prevent loss of sales and improve customer satisfaction.

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By: riffraffse7en http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-189987 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 02:46:23 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-189987 yes exactly

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By: riffraffse7en http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-189986 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 02:46:00 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-189986 You know that HOME is just a cross section of humanity at large. I mean what we see in the hub is just an indication of society at large. All this stuff goes on for attractive females in the real world too, from Cat calls and wolf whistles from construction workers to other females in the office believing that a sexy looking woman got the promotion because they have a nice rack instead of the fact that they pull long hours, are smart and actually do their job.

I guess what I am asking is: “Is it a corporation’s job to monitory what society finds relatively acceptable behavior?” And honestly it still is acceptable -right along with that sense of entitlement that things should be free or that anyone deserves anything simply for breathing.

Honestly this is what I have found. I do not have much of a problem with “trolls.” I mean yes sometimes there are some obnoxious punks that jam themselves between you and whomever you are talking too… and that can get annoying esp. if the convo is a serious one. And I can lose patience and leave. But I remember this kid the other day that just kept on racing around my friends and I and he slowed down enough when we just ignored him and asked why we were not talking with him.

And we told him. “you are not conducting acceptable behavior.”

He said “Its just a game.”

And we replied, “The hearts and minds of the people here are real.”

And miracle of miracles he stopped and thought about it and changed his behavior.

I think maybe optimistically that two out of three just are young and don’t get it. The rest are living out their evil suppressive fantasies and there are some chicks that dig that too. Me, I am not so much in the sadomasochism thing.

But you see I try to conduct myself (for the most part) like a lady. I usu. give them the benefit of the doubt, and if I don’t like it I announce that I am going to leave and that is usu. enough for the people I am talking with to go with me or to put the shut down on the troll person.

I do think it would be nice to (as mentioned in another article) be able to ghost someone -like blocking their conversation(which I do if there are sexual or racial slurs -after reporting them).

The inability to get a reaction is usu. entirely off-putting to these creepers. So you know there is room for improvement. But I don’t think it should get anyone woman down. Its not the lovely ladies after all -its the cretins that are slinging all the dirt that have the shortcoming.

But, always, just in case, I carry a big stick to paddle them with if they refuse to behave. LOL.

My assessment of the given situation is annoying not devastating. But perhaps the marketing in the Hub would be more effective if I felt like staying to have a conversation as opposed to leaving to get away from trolls.

:D

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By: thegoodguy93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-189981 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 02:33:57 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-189981 If your harassment persists contact Sony don’t ever feed the trolls with a response to their messages it only fuels them. Starve them.

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By: thegoodguy93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-189904 Mon, 06 Aug 2012 00:56:18 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-189904 Simply put a thick skin is not required unless you really cannot ignore such behavior. If you read the rules and restrictions of PlayStation Home you will find that you have to be 13 years of age to participate in the beta. You learn quickly that most “trolls” are under the age restriction, the ignore button on home is a useful tool. As is the block tool. I’ve had a good 4 years of experience on PlayStation Home I’ve seen it all. If push comes to shove contact an administrator.

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By: Dr_Do-Little http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/08/snakes-in-the-garden/#comment-189822 Sun, 05 Aug 2012 22:03:37 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=33740#comment-189822 oh and btw, good article

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