Comments on: Echo Chronicles: Homelings™ http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/07/echo-chronicles-homelings/ The PlayStation Home Magazine Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:20:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.2 By: Eighthinch http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/07/echo-chronicles-homelings/#comment-302847 Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:20:50 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=32486#comment-302847 8th would like to present this day’s notoriety. . .
We Homelings are as strong, maybe stronger now. . .
As being now trademarked . . .Tis an achievement for a cyber based club. . .
8th has been a member of the Homelings for over 4 years thus far. . .And am proud of the mind change I have had. . .
All around me are treated with respect and patience. . .We tolerate no aggression towards any others. . .
Homelings have had copy cats tying to use the name. . .They did not last as all on PS Home knew the difference. . .
We will carry on even though Home is closing. . .
We are eternal with our devotion for each other and the club. . .

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By: Razorbax http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/07/echo-chronicles-homelings/#comment-282232 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:51:07 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=32486#comment-282232 This has been a labor of love and we are all so very happy with the end result. Thank you to all who have supported us over the years!

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By: SealWyf http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/07/echo-chronicles-homelings/#comment-282227 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:16:46 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=32486#comment-282227 Our Trademark has now been finalized, and we can legitimately call ourselves HomelingsĀ®. Many thanks to all who have supported us in this grand journey.

bows

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By: CheekyGuy http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/07/echo-chronicles-homelings/#comment-171599 Sun, 15 Jul 2012 12:35:54 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=32486#comment-171599 I personally can’t wait to wear a Homeling T shirt and play with a Homeling Action figure lol, complete with his home ‘ship’.

Who knows where you will end up?, but I can say this you are the people that genuinely put Home into the public consciousness. I couldn’t Imagine Home without you guys. Yeah, sure, maybe there were a few people out there that thought of you as a kind of gimmick. But you have proven everybody wrong on that score, you are no gimmick, but a genuine image of Home.

I have always loved meeting you and talking to you all and i wish you the best of luck on your successes. :)

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By: Nosdrugis http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/07/echo-chronicles-homelings/#comment-171159 Sat, 14 Jul 2012 20:51:37 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=32486#comment-171159 *not met a Homeling… stupid Nos.

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By: Nosdrugis http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/07/echo-chronicles-homelings/#comment-171128 Sat, 14 Jul 2012 19:37:38 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=32486#comment-171128 Indeed, Seal. Grand read. Much of what you have just said was what your truly was going to say, only you’ve said it in a far more articulate way than this Homeling could have.
Am going to have to say, for any readers who feel this venture will be challenged by Sony, am doubtful.
This was not done with the intention of making revenue at the expense of Sony, Home, or The Homeling Collective(TM). Homelings are a not for profit organization, however, we do require funds in order to maintain and evolve, as Seal said above. Aside from that, we also have the option of setting up sponsorship programs and the like should such opportunities (and revenues) present themselves.
How glorious it would be, for instance, to be able to offer an official “Homeling Academic Scholarship” award at some point? Quite glorious, one might say. Surely, this is a good move in that respect as well.
The points SealWyf makes about the true numbers of The Homeling Collective are likely fairly accurate. And it is also true, that the reputation of Homelings precedes us. Have often bumped into Home users in-world that have met a Homeling, text bubble how excited they are to actually see a Homeling in Home. And much of those times they’ve expressed what an honor it is. Especially when we are assembled as a group (which we almost always are). This is both an enjoyable and humbling experience to have.
The trade marking process of The Homeling Collective is to protect all members. Many Homelings invest huge amounts of time, energy, and monies, into simply being a Homeling and assisting in the growth and welfare of The Homeling Collective. What a shame it would be to potentially allow counterfeit groups to minimize such efforts. And how blatantly ignorant of The General’s Council it would be to not do our utmost to look out for the Homeling Community that we profess to love so dearly.

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By: LUTORCORP http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/07/echo-chronicles-homelings/#comment-171043 Sat, 14 Jul 2012 15:28:09 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=32486#comment-171043 I would like to say congradz! Too all the Homelings out there. Keep working hard to achieve that which you seek. This is a good idea to not only stand out even more ing Home. Yet also to gain more members. You are a respectable group on home as i have many Homling friends. I wish you all the best! ‘Whatever your numbers may be’

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By: SealWyf http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/07/echo-chronicles-homelings/#comment-170973 Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:01:53 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=32486#comment-170973 Thank you for the comments. I am pleased that an article on something as dry and arcane as trademarking a Home user group has gotten so much attention.

I do want to say something about membership numbers. As Norse stated above, there are two kinds of user-created groups in Home — the social groups, and the media groups. Media groups may have in-Home events, but they are based primarily on the web. They host forums and chat rooms, and exist to provide a place for discussions.

Social groups may have a web presence, but they exist primarily on Home. They exist to provide real-time events and companionship among people using their Home avatars. The peers of the Homeling Collective are not media groups like AZ4 and YourPSHome, but social groups, such as Hamsters Freedom and the Grey Gamers. Among the world of Home-based social groups, the Homelings are enormous — probably the largest such group on Home, by a very wide margin.

That said, it’s difficult to state actual numbers. We point to the 600+ members of Fluidic Space and our 34 clubhouse MotherShips, because these are things we can quantify. We purge known ex-members from the website, so the web-site membership may be a fairly reasonable estimate of our actual current numbers. And, despite our urging, many Homelings don’t make an account on Fluidic Space, usually because they don’t have access to computers. Our MotherShip Commanders are requested to keep up-to-date logs of their MotherShip’s membership — some do, and some don’t. (This is one of the hazards of being an all-volunteer group.) So, I need to fall back on my training in biology to make a reasonable guess.

For some time, I have noticed that if I see two or three Homelings from my Friend List in a space, there will be ten or twelve Echo-clad beings there when I arrive. Similarly, during our mega-events, when we max out public spaces with 60+ Homelings, about ten of them will be on my Friend List. By this, I estimate that the number of currently-active Homelings is probably about six times the number of Homelings I have personally befriended. Since my FL is maxed, and most of my friend are Homelings, I think it’s reasonable to assume there are currently between 400 and 500 active Homelings.

As to how many beings have passed through the Collective since it started, this would have to be a very rough estimate. But, judging by the turn-over rate in my own MotherShip, and the number of names I see on older meeting minutes that represent ex-Homelings, it’s reasonable to assume that the full historical membership of the Collective runs to several thousand. If nothing else, this gives us huge name-recognition. I often meet people in Home who say, “I used to be one of you guys!”

Since I started researching this article, I have become a lot more aware of the trademark status of various groups and products. Among Home-based groups, PSTalent has gone the full distance, and now has the (R) symbol of a registered trademark. (Congratulations, DOD!) On the other hand, some major developers, such as LOOT, are still in the TM phase of the process. As I noted in the article, it takes a considerable time to get fully registered.

Funny how things jump out at you if you’ve been thinking about them. I was brought to a stop the other morning, when I realized that the B-29 “Enola Gay” (which I pass every weekday on the way to and from my office) has an enormous (R) symbol on its tail. “I know we don’t want people to copy it,” I remarked to my companion. “But did we really have to trademark it?” He laughed — it’s an old joke in the aircraft-historical field.

A note to Gideon — a trademark is not the same as a copyright. You can talk about us all you want. You just can’t say that you ARE us. But you knew that. :D

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By: Burbie52 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/07/echo-chronicles-homelings/#comment-170942 Sat, 14 Jul 2012 12:23:57 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=32486#comment-170942 Doing this was a smart move for the Homeling community. I wish we had HSM t-shirts available in real life, I would buy one right away. Nice article Seal and I wish you and the Collective much success in your endeavors wherever they may take you.

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By: Cubehouse http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/07/echo-chronicles-homelings/#comment-170837 Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:57:18 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=32486#comment-170837 AZ4 cleared the user tables about a year ago during a server migration, so any stats will be fairly skewed. Some sites will have better spam-bot registering protection, as you can expect a lot of users are just robots. So ultimately, monthly uniques etc. are a much better form of statistic. But those things are precious to webmasters and shall not be shared ;)

But onto the article, very interesting decision. I wish you the best of luck with your commerce.

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By: Gideon http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/07/echo-chronicles-homelings/#comment-170491 Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:43:46 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=32486#comment-170491 I figured the numbers were wonky but hey… I used the stats I had available. I fully understand that one does not have to be a member of a site to be a fan. I would even say this about the Homethings themselves.

I think a more “public” presence of the Homeling collective would make it so that they can be more than a group but subculture. Some would say steampunk is a narrower demographic than the general public (not by much though) and we continue to see releases for that subculture. Same goes for goth, sports, formal wear… the list just goes on. If a Homeling Klenting space was released would more than just Homelings buy it? For sure.

Without a doubt the Homelings have achieved far and beyond what no other group in Home has. Some-day I hope to be able to tell someone who is speaking of the Homelings that they started on PlayStation Home and their response will be one of surprise.

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By: OceanicCactus http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/07/echo-chronicles-homelings/#comment-170467 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 23:51:10 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=32486#comment-170467 HOMELING GLORY!!!!

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By: Godzprototype http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/07/echo-chronicles-homelings/#comment-170461 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 23:38:24 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=32486#comment-170461 I hope the Homelings get thier Mothership. You guys deserve it. Keep at it, and congrats!

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By: NorseGamer http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/07/echo-chronicles-homelings/#comment-170448 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 23:08:01 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=32486#comment-170448 That may not the most accurate stat to go by. AlphaZone4 has over 1,600 registered members on their website, but they pull several hundred-thousand unique visitors per year, which I believe makes them the most-visited Home fansite in the world by a fairly significant margin. The HSM website has nearly 4,000 registered subscribers, but we pulled more than double that number of unique visitors last month, and we’re on pace to pull about 75,000 uniques this year. And HomeCast plays in Home itself, so god only knows what kind of traffic HearItWow pulls.

That said, the question of how many regular Home users there are is an interesting one. Second Life had 21M registered accounts, but only about 50,000 active users. While there are significant differences between Second Life and Home, I suspect the number of *consistently* active users in Home, worldwide, doesn’t exceed more than 200,000 to 300,000 (and I may be a bit on the high side).

Contrasting a group like the Homelings to a community media project is a bit of a mismatch, though. Media projects generally want to have broad audience appeal. Specialized groups such as the Homelings, the Hammies, etc. will by their very nature usually appeal to a narrower demographic. When contrasting the Homelings to other comparable groups, though, there’s no question that they’re a highly-organized group with an unusually large member base.

Is that important to a Home developer? Well, any group that constitutes a sufficiently large economic bloc is worth reaching out to when there’s a commodity that might appeal to them. When LOOT developed the Space Apartment, for instance, it was easy to see that this fit the Homeling aesthetic; if even twenty percent of the Collective purchased the estate, that represents $1200. To say nothing of the expanded visibility the estate would have received to people on their friend lists.

When contrasted against the development costs to build such an estate, that may not seem like much — but when stacked atop similar efforts elsewhere, the cumulative effect can make a difference.

Granted, we’re looking at this from a commercial standpoint. If we view it simply as an achievement unto itself, it’s pretty cool. Outside of media projects — which are an altogether different animal — I can’t think of any group in Home which is as large or well-organized as the Homelings. Particularly in light of the adversity they’ve faced in the past, it’s quite a success story — and, like you, I’m curious to see what they do next.

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By: Gideon http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/07/echo-chronicles-homelings/#comment-170399 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:39:45 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=32486#comment-170399 Congratulations to all Homelings! Oh… wait… I can’t say that now. Don’t want to pay royalties. :/
LOL. But seriously. That’s great. Mother should contact VeeMee, or some other 3rd party dev, to see about a possible collaboration.

Using the stats of the aforementioned groups: AZ4 has 1600+ members, yourpshome.net has 4,700+ members, PSTalent has close to 1000 active members. Those are all quite a bit larger than the current Homeling collective. I wonder if it would be profitable for a 3rd party dev to support the Homelings. Of course, Homeling items would serve as a recruitment tool like none other.

I wonder how many current and regular users are in Home and what percentage are Homelings? If there are 60K regular users , that would make the collective 1% of the population. If the numbers are closer to the report from a couple years ago with 85% of 12 million users returning to Home and we have use the generous s.w.a.g. that about half of those actually return time and time again, we get about 5 million regular users. If THAT’S the case, Homelings are 0.012% of the Home population.

No matter what the stats are, what the Homelings have achieved is impressive and I can’t wait to see what they do in the future.

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