Comments on: Reviewing the Reviewers http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/ The PlayStation Home Magazine Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:20:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.2 By: deuce_for2 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-153272 Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:38:41 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-153272 FYI: Here is a bad reviewer getting a response from a developer. The reviewer:

1) Never played the demo, only watched it being played.
2) Never played any of their past games.
3) Does not like video games as a storytelling medium.
4) And actually complains that the game is fun and wants the fun removed.

Scroll down and watch:
http://loadoutroom.com/2962/medal-of-honor-warfighter-authenticity/

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By: Olivia_Allin http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-149693 Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:11:33 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-149693 I do understand what you’re saying Deuce. But I think reviews are inherently subjective. Analysis are different than reviews. And an analysis normally can be proven or disproven by math which is not subject. While a movie reviewer can compare a movie to others in the same genre or by the screenwriter or director, the reviewer is still basing their review on their own personal opinion. A food critic may pan, pardon the pun, a dish he doesn’t like but that can be based on personal preference. As in your example of the Waterfall Terrace review, the fact that the reviewer might think it’s problematic to find decorations to fit in the corner, others might see it an opportunity to place a lamp or a plant. I don’t think you can completely remove opinion from a standard review. I express opinions in my articles all the time. But I do not do reviews. I also do not accept reviews as fact. If I had read the Waterfall Terrace review I would still have to see for myself. And indeed, the Waterfall Terrace is one of my favorite spaces. A subjective review still has merit and can alert the reader’s to be mindful of what the reviewer sees as windfalls or pitfalls. Of course this is my subjective opinion and as I stated I do not do reviews. If you have an example of a completely analytical review, I am more than willing to change my subjective opinion. But like I said at the beginning, I do completely understand what you’re trying to say.

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By: deuce_for2 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-148943 Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:39:05 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-148943 There is a difference between what you like and an analysis of whether a product is right for the intended audience. People in Home do this all the time. While the target audience is something like 70% male, people point out that female clothing is often at the top of the sales list. So if my review of a female outfit was, “I don’t get it. I will never wear it. 70% of the target audience is male. Why would they think this Beyonce knock off outfit would sell?” That may be my opinion, but it is improper analysis of the target audience. Your opinion cannot be wrong. Your analysis can.

Analysis involves comparing it to items that have come before and how they were recieved. And new aspects of the item that have not been done before and how they might be recieved.

There was a memorable review of the Waterfall Terrace where the Reviewer thought the space was good overall, but had corners that would be hard to decorate. This is the kind of information that is useful to someone thinking of buying it. Reviews should be there to help reduce buyer’s remorse, not to proliferate your opinion.

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By: Kassadee Marie http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-148909 Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:30:04 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-148909 I read both of your reviews and they were both interesting reviews. I’ve played Flower and never even heard of the other game, btw. So, I’m trying to think of a nice way to say this… you may not have used the word “I” but both reviews were your opinion. It occurs to me that reviews ARE opinions. Well, what else do we have? If it wasn’t an opinion, every review article would be a list of stats. So avoiding the first person my SEEM like you’re distancing yourself and being objective, but people just aren’t. We’re subjective about everything and everyone around us. I believe we’re hard-wired that way. So, I’ve decided to happily go on using the first person in my reviews. But, hey… this is just my opinion.

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By: KrazyFace http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-148623 Sat, 16 Jun 2012 09:04:02 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-148623 Perfectly pointed out Duce, I agree with pretty much everything you said in your article. I’m a bit late to the party here, but here’s my 10 cents; The use of “I” was debated when I was helping set up a gaming site, half of us wanted to use the first-person, the other half saw it as detrimental to any review. Thankfully the latter of us got our way, I say thankfully because I’d never feel comfortable using my personal perspective when giving a broad idea of any given product. What’s importiant for ANY advice on ANY product is keeping in mind that not everyone thinks the same as you. So the trick is being subjective in your constructive criticism while still giving your point of view. Here’s an example; This is a review I wrote for a game I enjoyed: http://www.criticalgamer.co.uk/2010/03/29/hidden-gems-flower-2/

And this is one I hated:
http://www.criticalgamer.co.uk/2010/04/12/rengoku-tower-of-purgatory-review/

Don’t worry, they’re not very long (10mins at most) but I think you’ll see exactly WHY staying away from the first-person perspective is paramount to a subjective review. Again, good read Duce, thanks.

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By: HearItWow http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-148325 Fri, 15 Jun 2012 21:47:08 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-148325 Hey, now. Mediocrity is the fuel that keeps the Web growing.

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By: SealWyf_ http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-148238 Fri, 15 Jun 2012 19:11:40 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-148238 [Like]

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By: Kassadee Marie http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-148230 Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:57:27 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-148230 I picture the next ten articles submitted by the staff starting with the sentence “This is not a Review.”

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By: Olivia_Allin http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-148204 Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:16:19 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-148204 “Here is how I felt when firing up my laptop to read this article…” First of all, my opening sentence which is a slight mutation from example that you gave in your article doesn’t make much sense. Here is how I felt? How can one feel “here”? I totally agree with what you’re saying in this article. I personally don’t write reviews. I am a self appointed “fluff” writer. I love calling myself a fluff writer, and for the most part that’s true. With the exception of maybe one or two articles, my writing tends to be lighthearted fluff pieces. I love the reaction of the editors and members of the writing team when I call my stuffed fluff. Almost without exception, they are quick to defend my choice of writing style. It is almost like they think I’m being derogatory when I use the word fluff.

I have never written a review of the game or space. I’ve made a written reviews on personalities or experiences. But the guidelines you point out apply in these matters to. There are truths and what you wrote that apply in all forms of writing. Even fluff. I seem to remember an old saying that goes… Lock a monkey in a room with a typewriter and given enough time he would write the works of William Shakespeare. That statement always fascinated me. I have even send that idea to Mythbusters… The key to being read is to write something readable. People have the writing style or styles. And readers may have their preferences on the styles they prefer. I am no writer but I write. And I can’t write just for the sake of writing, it has to be something that I know or feel strongly about plus be something that I can convey in not only an entertaining way but conveys my point. That said, if I write something from my point of view, which I almost have to because it’s the only aspect I have access to, I try to write it in a way that others can relate to.but I’m not so sure writing isn’t like video production. When I first started shooting video professionally, I was told always to use a tripod, level the camera, color balance and make smooth deliberate movements if necessary. That all changed. A very high percentage of television programming is shot on shoulder mounted cameras, slightly tilted, abnormal chroma tweaking and slightly shaky. Can the rules of writing also evolve or devolve like the rules of shooting video have. And writers pressing the envelope have to step over the rule guidelines sometimes. What the heck am I talking about. I probably write fluff. I cross no boundaries. I press no envelope. I can even spell check the monkey that’s writing Shakespeare. I defer to you and others that know a lot more about writing than I do.

All that is my fluffy way of saying great article.

Sorry, I have to go now, the monkey has pulled the ribbon out of the typewriter again. And all he’s written so far is the complete works of Ayn Rand ;)

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By: deuce_for2 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-148203 Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:15:39 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-148203 Important point here, not everything you write is a review. If you are doing a review specifically, then you have some obligations to your audience. And more so to the people who created whatever you are reviewing. To talk about what happened to you this weekend, then drop a score at the bottom for something that was only mentioned tangentially does not make it a review. If you are doing a review, then do a review. If it is not a review, just acknowledge that you have done something else. That is okay.
Doing everything well is important. You may not start there, but everyone should be striving to do better at everything they do. Always doing your best should be your base. Mediocrity is overrated.

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By: Terra_Cide http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-148170 Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:18:47 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-148170 To be devil’s advocate to your devil’s advocate (if only for one particular point): it doesn’t matter if you write well, only it does.

Allow me to explain.

When you want your voice heard, and the thoughts you have on a topic to matter to more than just yourself, it’s essential to keep in mind the other people who possibly could be reading what you have to say. Think about it -- when you write a comment in a public venue, it is going to be read by many people, coming from many backgrounds. They don’t have to agree with your point of view, but wouldn’t you at least want them to respect it (and by association, you)? So yes, writing well is necessary.

Writing for one’s self is great -- all artistic endeavors are exercises self-indulgence on some level -- and it has its place. And you’re right; when writing for one’s self, writing well doesn’t matter, but when sharing that piece of yourself publicly, the work does need to be taken to the next level above the self.

This is the beauty of a review: a reviewer is doing their best to explain the whys behind their opinions on a subject, and if the bare minimum result is getting someone else thinking and sharing their whys on a level that’s at least as clear as the reviewer’s, then count that as a successful result, too. No, not everyone has to agree with the point of view originally expressed. However, that can’t happen if neither person can write (at least on a rudimentary level) well. What that will result in is a likely flame war, or worse, having those thoughts completely ignored. There’s plenty of those to be found online -- far too plenty.

You don’t have to start out as a good writer, so long as you’re willing to grow. And that -- at least when talking about HSM specifically -- will ensure you’ll have a long, enjoyable stay here on the team. :)

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By: SealWyf_ http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-148107 Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:45:14 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-148107 Devil’s advocate Seal here. I would like to inject a heartfelt defense of bad reviews and the bad reviewers who write them.

Last night I was showing a friend my treatment of the Gothic Cathedral private space, which leans heavily toward animated cherry trees, flickering campfires and organic asymmetry. He explained carefully what I had done wrong, and how I should correct it. I listened. Then I replied.

“That’s why I’m me and you’re you.”

That wasn’t a clever putdown. It’s a simple statement of my creative philosophy. Especially as it applies to writing. Which is, anything can work, if you feel it intensely. It may not make sense to anyone else — they don’t need to like it. It’s nice if they do, of course. We all crave approval. But it’s perfectly okay if they don’t.

That’s why we’re us and they’re them. We’re in this writing game to say something about beauty and emotion, not to make everyone happy.

I’ve written things that looked like game reviews that wouldn’t tell the game’s developer anything useful about their creation. I have one in the queue now, one that says a hell of a lot more about Seal than it does about the game she was ostensibly reviewing. (To be fair, I left off the rating section for that one. I knew it wasn’t really a review.) When it comes out, most of the readers of this magazine will say, “Huh?” and move on. That’s okay. Some of them will loathe it and complain. That’s okay too. A few may say, “Wow, someone else shares my gut reaction!” That’s okay too — hey, it’s more than okay, it’s great! As I said, we all crave agreement. But that’s still not why I wrote it.

I wrote it because I had to.

That’s what creation, especially writing, is all about. It’s about having stuff spill from your guts out your fingers, leaving the fossil tracks of your emotions on the paper for everyone to pick over. You do it because you have to. Not because you want to be loved or even agreed with. This is not a popularity contest. If you’re lucky, someone else will see something in it that resonates.

But they don’t have to. That’s why they’re them and I’m me. We’re going to see things differently. And that’s okay. It may hurt if you disagree. But it doesn’t really matter.

What matters is putting yourself out there, making yourself vulnerable, making the effort. And, quite often, figuring out what you wrote AFTER you wrote it. And learning from the experience, and moving on to write something else.

It doesn’t matter if you write well. Sure, writing well will get you a berth on this magazine faster than writing badly. Stating your opinion clearly is going to work better than repeating sloppy cliches. But, ultimately, what matters is what the writing does to you, for you, inside you. The way it lets you see yourself. The conversation you have with yourself, through the page and your eyes and fingers. Did what you just wrote teach you anything about the world, or about games, or about your own inner life? If your answer was “yes”, then the piece succeeded. Even if it features your cat batting at the screen.

It’s nice if someone else gets something from what you wrote. In fact, it’s wonderful. But don’t expect it. They’re them and you’re you. Communication isn’t always going to succeed.

That’s okay. Really. That’s what this creation game is all about. It’s all part of the conversation.

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By: Burbie52 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-148046 Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:55:52 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-148046 I feel like writing reviews is a bit of a balancing act. You want to tell how you feel about the product but at the same time you want to be truthful when something isn’t right. That is why Norse and Terra have always stressed that when we criticize it is done in a constructive manner, not derogatory. I agree with what you have said here Deuce, everyone has opinions about everything, but not all are worth listening to. And most people seem to forget that though it is an opinion, it is your own, not everyone’s. I am sure that as a developer you have heard it all, and I think that you, like the other developers actually appreciate when we tell you the truth about your products, good or bad.
I am glad you wrote this article it was very enlightening to see reviews from the other side of the coin, and we as writers always have room for improvement.
Nice read.

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By: BONZO http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-147853 Fri, 15 Jun 2012 04:56:47 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-147853 Woah you already played through GTA5? jk we know you meant 4 :) I’ve reviewed a few games, but my main point when I review them is if they are worth playing again or if they will just be a one time experience. Like I am alive, that was a game i played once and I had enough. Skyrim, I would replay that game an umpteenth amount of times and chances are it would be a different experience every time. I still haven’t finished the first time through. It’s tough to generalize a majority opinion on replay though. I could see playing skyrin again but it is such a time consuming game that it could put people off to playing it. Some may even give up on it the first time through and never complete it.

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By: Gideon http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-147793 Fri, 15 Jun 2012 02:41:28 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-147793 I like the advice of a true Reviewer being more concerned “about the product and how they expect it will be received by the larger audience.” I think this is something many of us struggle with (myself included) because games are an interpersonal and interactive journey. Unlike film or music, we are part of the experience. Our decisions have outcomes and many times those decisions directly affect the game we are treated to.

I played the entirety of GTA5 following traffic laws when I could and wound up taking a good deal of taxis to get from one place to another. I rarely hijacked vehicles and only killed when absolutely necessary. In Skyrim (a game I have yet to finish with over 220 hours in! WOO!) I have never fast traveled, I rest most nights, I don’t do missions that involve thievery and/or murder. These two games hold experiences for me that are likely quite different from the experience most others play through, so my personal tastes on how to play an open world game has a direct impact on my opinion of those games.

I guess the point is one shouldn’t review a game based on those sorts of factors. It would be silly for me to discuss in a review my observation that Liberty City citizens have a habit of stopping at green lights and going on red when I know full well most people will never be effected by, let alone notice, that game quirk.

I think there’s room for articles that explore the interpersonal connection one has with a game but I guess those sorts of articles shouldn’t then end in a score. I think it’s important for everyone to take this advice into consideration when deciding what kind of reviewer they want to be. Don’t be pressured to include a score, or an analytical exposition of a game when what you really want to do it write about what the game meant to you. I’ll be the first one to admit I have been guilty of this reviewers rush.

Thanks for the wisdom Deuce, it has certainly pointed out the reason I have found some of my past articles… unsettling and cumbersome.

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By: HearItWow http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-147773 Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:49:59 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-147773 Everybody’s a critic. At least this article slipped in some sage advice.

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By: NorseGamer http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-147772 Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:46:55 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-147772 In large part, HSM was created as a reaction to the loose-cannon fanboyism that passes for video game journalism today — both the drooling “OMG dood MW2 roxxors!” me-first crowd and the jaded neckbeard fanboys who feel qualified to tell game developers what to do. Indeed, our April Fools “troll takeover” gag was a direct response to this.

That doesn’t necessarily make us “better” — there’s an audience for the type of writing listed in the previous paragraph — but if the ESRB is to be believed, and the average game purchaser is forty years old, then we suspect there are a hell of a lot of people out there who are looking for something a bit deeper than a bowl of LOLspeak tapioca.

One of the writing techniques HomeStation writers are encouraged to use is anecdote, as it personalizes the article and that fits with the more social thrust of the publication. That said, we’re also conscious of the necessity for proper review structure, in order to maximize the effective usefulness of the article. What you pointed out about learning the rules before stylistically choosing which rules to break is critical; we take liberties with the AP Stylebook, but we also know what the hell the AP Stylebook *is.*

One of the most clever writers I’ve read in modern times is Patton Oswalt, when he pens reviews under the “Neill Cumpston” pseudonym. He clearly knows how to write extremely well, but he disguises it in a hyper-fanboy style designed to simultaneously satirize and appeal to the lowest-common denominator and the more discerning reader alike. On YouTube, Red Letter Media has also done this extremely well with the “Mr. Plinkett” character and his reviews of various science-fiction movies. Highly recommended.

Thanks for writing this, Deuce; it really hit the nail on the head.

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By: BONZO http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-147753 Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:48:41 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-147753 Wow that is really something very useful to consider. I can recognize a lot of the mistakes I’ve made in reviews. I will certainly take the advice and keep it in mind next time I write a review.

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By: Kassadee Marie http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-147711 Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:25:20 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-147711 *times

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By: Kassadee Marie http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/reviewing-the-reviewers/#comment-147710 Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:24:26 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=30431#comment-147710 I enjoyed your article and I will be taking a lot (maybe all) of your advice for future use -- in some cases. However, my first -- little “r” -- review for HS Mag was almost my last when I asked a friend to read it and tell me what he thought. What I remember most was his first comment… that I used the word “I” too much. In other words, I had written too much about myself and not enough about the personal estate that I was reviewing. That remark was crushing to me. My review happened to be a writing contest entry and it was one of the ones that won, so I took that win to heart and kept writing. Norse has said many times here at this mag that we are writing about the social aspect of Home and I think our “I” statements are understood to be one person’s experience, for the reader to agree or disagree with. We write or include personal stories as often as we write articles and “big “R” reviews. I used the word “I’ 13 in this comment, btw.

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