Comments on: Take Responsibility For Yourself http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/ The PlayStation Home Magazine Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:20:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.2 By: Dr_Do-Little http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-134199 Mon, 28 May 2012 21:56:09 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-134199 The “fuss” for me was all the “mini modding” i received from the HCV when i tried to make comments about the lack of communication from Sony on subject like the disconnection issue. When i realize they were receiving freebies thats when i started to link the dots… Little did i knew at that time about all the previous ranting about them.

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By: NorseGamer http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-133565 Mon, 28 May 2012 00:43:32 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-133565 I’d recommend sending it privately to the powers that be. There’s just too much accumulated history of public debate on this topic, fueled in large part by two key elements:

1. People have applied for it and been rejected, leading to resentment and anger;

2. There’s a disconnect between what the program is actually designed to do and what some people on the forum think it is designed to do.

Given the history of how polarizing and downright ugly the public HCV debates have gotten, coupled with how entrenched positions have gotten on this topic, it’s easy to see that a more effective means of offering feedback would be to submit it privately instead.

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By: CMCSAVAGE http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-133402 Sun, 27 May 2012 19:33:18 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-133402 While the thread may be anti HCV in general, if you sift through the BS, there are some valid points and observations. I made a few myself, and I’m not biased one way or the other. While the program is good in idea, it’s flawed in execution. I will certainly submit an article for approval stating what I think of it. While there is good, there is also bad.

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By: Orion_NGC1976 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-132264 Fri, 25 May 2012 23:23:31 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-132264 I really don’t see why all the fuss. Same with the velvet rope in the theater. Why all the fuss? I don’t feel slighted that people get free apartments in exchange for doing tours, or the HCVs getting items for providing a service. They are putting in the time. If it is really about helping people, who is stopping you? Frankly, I would rather help people on my own, rather than being dictated by another group. If you want to help, get out there and help those who need help. I know plenty of people who are not HCVs, but spend countless hours being available on Home to help people out. Why do you feel the need to be compensated for kindness? I don’t. If you already help people out, great. Why do you care that there is also an official group of people that also help people out? Do you walk into a Wallmart and tell the greeter and the people working there that they are unnecessary because the customers are more than capable of helping newer customers? Let’s all help each other out and “Get on with it.”

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By: Jersquall http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-132194 Fri, 25 May 2012 20:36:47 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-132194 Norsling, You make some great observations.

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By: Jersquall http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-132192 Fri, 25 May 2012 20:35:55 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-132192 Understood, Kas

Y2 and the others HCVs are fine additions to our program. I know the program inside out and trust me. It is on pace with how it was designed.
I can not go in to details but we are expanding and it will be nice for everyone when it does.
Although some will still find fault. it’s the way it is.

;)

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By: NorseGamer http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-132189 Fri, 25 May 2012 20:30:04 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-132189 I posted this in the Sony forum, but I wanted to add it here as well, as it touches on why the HCV program is structured the way it is.

The only logistically feasible way to have an interactive help desk is if it’s completely automated — which is precisely what Lockwood has already done with VICKIE in the Sodium Hub.

For those who believe the HCV program should fulfill this function instead: the basic problem with this is logistics. Assume Home has, at any given time, 500,000 active users. Now assume one percent of them need help at any given time. That’s 5,000 users. A public space can hold a maximum of 64 people. That means you’d need 80 HCVs around the clock doing nothing but manning help desk instances. Even if we assume every HCV could run an eight-hour shift every day (which is unrealistic), that’s a minimum of 238 HCVs. And that’s assuming an average of 500,000 active users out of 27,000,000 registered accounts, with an average help load of only one percent of the active population.

There is no feasible way that the HCV program can possibly serve this function. I’d held off on going into this much detail elsewhere because I thought the math was fairly obvious. Hopefully this clarification helps explain things a bit.

The next problem with any sort of manned help center in Home is the human element. Picture an instance of 63 people tossing questions at one HCV, all at the same time. Even if some of the questions were easy and quick to answer, the only way to keep things from degenerating into chaos would be to implement a queue system, like some of the games in Home have. And how would you feel if you saw you were #60 in the queue? Would you stick around? Try another instance of the help desk (and end up with the same result)? In fact, would it create a very negative perception of Home?

Of course, you could try a free-for-all instead of a queue, but those don’t end well. Ever been to a public event where GlassWalls was in attendance? I’ve watched the poor guy get mobbed by people who saw the red jacket and immediately started unloading on him about personal tech support issues, which is very disruptive when he’s trying to host an event.

We’re also not taking into account the challenge of finding sufficient people who would be willing to endure such a thing, day in and day out. Annual call center turnover rates in the United States consistently hover around 30%. And those are paid employees. I shudder to think of what it would be with volunteers. And let’s not even get into the liabilities of having non-employees represent SCEA in such a support capacity.

I know there are people on the forum who froth at the mouth (for years…) because of what they perceive as a doorslam to HCV program feedback. Thing is, though, if you start really working out why things are the way they are, it’s not that hard to see why suggestions which seem good at face value are, in fact, doomed to failure from the get-go. And that’s just the good ideas; we’re not even tackling the people who have a personal axe to grind against the program.

HearItWow correctly observed that a lot of support resources are already built into the Home interface for people to utilize. The flaw that I personally see is that they’re not readily apparent, and since help items are designed to support those who probably know the least about the interface, this constitutes a design flaw with the Home interface. Which is why a publicly visible automated FAQ, such as what Lockwood did with VICKIE, is in my mind a good idea. Granted, there may be a reason this hasn’t been implemented.

The point remains, however, that accomplishing the most effective means of supporting the userbase is not the same thing as enhancing the HCV program, and the two items should be decoupled. Logistically, it’s fairly easy to see why. As far as I can ascertain, the HCV program is doing exactly what it’s designed to do — not necessarily what some people on this forum want it to do, but what it’s actually designed to do — and doing it quite well. From personal observation, though there are a few former HCVs whose behavior I find deplorable, I’d say the current group of HCVs — veteran and new alike — are a really good group.

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By: Kassadee Marie http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-132186 Fri, 25 May 2012 20:24:09 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-132186 Please understand, at least for me, the HCV’s and the HCV program are not the same thing. I know some wonderful people in the program that are dedicated to Home and involved in many ways. Y2David is an especially dedicated volunteer.

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By: Burbie52 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-132174 Fri, 25 May 2012 20:09:23 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-132174 Next time they start their ranting in the forums about this or other subjects just ask if they want any cheese with their whine. I will never understand the human need to express dissatisfaction over everything that doesn’t go their way. The world revolves around the sun, not YOU the last time I looked so like Norse has said so eloquently, get over it and over yourselves. If this kind of stuff is the worst thing that happens to you in your life then you are truly blessed. I think we should be thanking Sony for caring enough to even want a program such as the HCV in Home. They could have just sat back, done nothing at all and been within their rights to do so. As far as I am concerned it is like “looking a gift horse in the mouth” as they say, and not a good idea.
I say we praise the volunteers who give up the sometimes little time they have to spend in Home helping others rather than only thinking about themselves and their wants or needs like these people in the forums who seem to have nothing better to do with their energy.
Very well said Norse.

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By: Jersquall http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-132146 Fri, 25 May 2012 19:12:18 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-132146 @Kassadee Marie,

I did not see one idea on the forums that we have not talked about and most over 2 years ago. Glasswalls being of sound mind has thought this out completely. Unless you see it from the inside you aren’t getting the full picture. Your assessment of Glasswalls was unwaranted but no fault as you do not have informed opinions.

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By: Kassadee Marie http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-132128 Fri, 25 May 2012 18:18:51 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-132128 There are currently eight pages on the forum regarding this program and this is not the first time there has been a thread about this subject. I doubt it will be the last. What I’m seeing is that people feel strongly about this issue, for whatever reasons, and want to have changes made. I find it cold and unreasonable of GlassWalls to say that no changes will ever be made to the program. Maybe some people are feeling upset about the programs and venting their feelings in unhelpful ways. That doesn’t mean the good suggestions should be ignored. As I sift through the comments, I find a lot of good suggestions regarding changes to the program… changes that will benefit the community.

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By: FEMAELSTROM http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-132043 Fri, 25 May 2012 14:47:57 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-132043 I personally know that there is another group of morons in this big world that make it ugly. The people that hate those with advantage and will just sit in their underwear at the keyboard and do nothing but act like dogs with only a bark. They don’t look at the work it takes and the scrutiny from Sony to be a HCV. They simply see the freebies they are not getting, and find the first tool in the toolbox is rancor. I for one agree entirely that this is their playground, if they want to give all to a person on my blocked list, that’s their choice. When I own majority stock in Sony, maybe I have a voice, until then, I play for free, I friend for free, and I have tons of fun for free. Let Sony give what they want to who they want, and frankly Norse, if you wanted to be nothing more than a shill:it’s your freedom to promote a company like Sony, you could be far worse: a troll whining about Sony.The Eagles had a song:”Get Over It!”, good advice to the trolls and complainers and good article.

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By: deuce_for2 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-131914 Fri, 25 May 2012 08:36:24 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-131914 @Norse -- I love the fact that you got so worked up you censored yourself. Bleeping YEAH!

Being an HCV is luckily a desirable job for some. It helps Sony and other developers and they get paid in virtual items. Unless I am missing something, this is like being crossing guard at Elementary School (I was a crossing guard at my school); a prestige position for sure, but we had to get there earlier and stay later.

The HCV special power to make others feel like they are missing out is cool. But remember, you have to invite the vampire into your home for him to be able to use his powers on you. Same for HCVs.

I wish there was a way to check the age of the poster and whether they have multiple identities. I have a feeling that a lot of discussions would be ignored if we knew that the three people we were arguing with were really one thirteen year old kid. I imagine the people who run the forums must know and react to such arguments appropriately.

At some point, someone has to take their ball and go home. As a kid I dreaded that moment. As an adult I look forward to it.

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By: BONZO http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-131831 Fri, 25 May 2012 04:39:53 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-131831 LOL Bravo Olivia!! :) wow “High-octane fuel that burns the troll engine!” brilliant!! I love it.

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By: Olivia_Allin http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-131805 Fri, 25 May 2012 03:46:10 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-131805 There is no aspect of the Sony PlayStation Network or Home that is not over scrutinize. No groups good or bad, nothing new that’s introduced or old that is deleted that doesn’t cause a certain few to see it as their chance to flex their vocal muscles and feel they are obligated and empowered to complain. Citing the First Amendment should not be the source of motivation to speak, just the freedom too. The motivation should come from common sense and something intelligent to say. Sour grapes, rejected egos, delusions of grandeur and the misconception that some people know how things work better than the professionals is all too often yet never for the better the high-octane fuel that burns in the troll engine. The turbo boost button apparently is acknowledging and disagreeing with their futile verbose rambling rants, not unlike this one with the exception that this had some thought put into it.

Complaining with tact is called constructive criticism. Complaining without tact is whiny. Complaining to draw attention to oneself is called sad.

An organization like the home community volunteers may not be perfect, although I can’t think of any fault right now. And if you don’t like them or think that you can do it better, then why aren’t you doing that? It’s easy to say how things should be done when you are not doing it. Put your controller where your mouth is and show the world how much better you could run things. Until then, try using constructive criticism! Whining and trolling will not gain you respect nor will it motivate change.

And if it’s so bad, and everything that is done is wrong, and Sony doesn’t care about anyone but themselves and the bottom line, and Home will never get better, and the mods don’t do their job, and the home community volunteers are power-hungry glory hogs… Feel free to run into the arms of Bill Gates and have fun on your Xbox 360 and pay a monthly charge for your hydrocephalus bobble headed avatar. To quote Dennis Miller… “But that’s just my opinion I could be wrong.”

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By: the-edge_ http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-131798 Fri, 25 May 2012 03:28:18 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-131798 Bravo!!! Simply bravo! Thanks Norse for the article!

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By: Jersquall http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-131760 Fri, 25 May 2012 01:52:52 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-131760 @TheBrightestGlow,

Or any other helpful Home group. Ya know? ;)

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By: TheBrightestGlow http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-131751 Fri, 25 May 2012 01:30:40 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-131751 Focusing your efforts to “take down” a group of volunteers in a virtual world seems entirely trivial to me.

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By: Jersquall http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-131736 Fri, 25 May 2012 01:01:13 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-131736 Dr_Do-Little,

I know your post really wasn’t directed at me. I understand the events you went through that day so no worrys. What I do worry about is the perception on my team. It’s very unfair to the new HCVs and to those who come to the forums looking for help. The threads are not fostering community. they destroy.

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By: NorseGamer http://www.hsmagazine.net/2012/05/take-responsibility-for-yourself/#comment-131731 Fri, 25 May 2012 00:52:51 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=29103#comment-131731 Towards the end of the article:

“At this point I really do have to question the motives of those who have been on the forum long enough to see the HCV debates rage over the years and see nothing change as a result of them. You know better. At a certain point, it simply becomes an excuse for muckraking, or a vain attempt at self-aggrandizing.”

Be of good cheer; the ire of my keyboard wasn’t directed towards you. :)

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