Comments on: The Hub: The New Noob Central http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/ The PlayStation Home Magazine Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:20:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.2 By: julie_love http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-66756 Fri, 16 Dec 2011 22:20:11 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-66756 Great article Kassadee. I didn’t expect the problem with trolling to go away with the rollout of The Hub, but I think that other changes have helped with the problem. Specifically the new help system that is available from the menu within Home and is highly visible to new users in Home.

The question for me is whether the trolling problem is getting better or worse. My impression from spending a few hours a week in public spaces in Home is that there is less trolling happening now. Of course in certain places and at certain times the trolls can totally overwhelm a public space and make it pretty much uninhabitable for anyone that just wants to relax and hang out.

I think that doing the Welcoming Committee events has helped me to better cope with trolling and I’m better able to deal with it.

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By: Burbie52 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-66126 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:09:06 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-66126 I agree with you on this one, just today I had to report an annoying troll in the Hub, something I really do try to avoid doing but this one was really asking for it. His retort was, “Oh wow I might get banned on my USA account, big deal!” So he obviously wasn’t using his main account. This is even more annoying to me, because essentially it makes the person being harassed feel powerless to stop this kind of behavior. We all reported then ignored him, so eventually he went away, but still there should be a way to permanently ban these types from Home.
I still say a three strikes you are out rule should apply in cases of extreme disregard for the TOS rules of behavior such as this.

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By: lee http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-66078 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:35:21 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-66078 Trolls/Nubs Ftw !! :P

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-66048 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:38:56 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-66048 How about a reward system that gave items of increasing worth the longer every account on a PS3 was well behaved,not seperately but every single account would need to abstain from mod actions.I’m not sure if misbehaving users are hurting Sony’s bottom line,or even how that could be proven conclusively,but IF Sony is serious about increasing good behavior almost any reward or punishments really have to affect every account on a PS3 in order to be truly effective.I’m sure this would cause problems in houses with children but it MAY help convince parents to watch their wee ones a little more and convince older users that misbehave to stop.As it is now ppl can act within the bounds of the TOS on 1 account and troll away on another specially made for trolling(meaning that they spent absolutely nothing on it so when it gets banned they delete it and make a new 1.)I know 1 person that claims,idk if it’s true,that they have 16 accounts of which 10 are currently banned.Only 1 of these accounts has any cash spent on it.I’m not sure this holding all accounts responsible thing is tech. possible but it would stop the multiple account troll jumping and possibly make ppl think about the consequences of their actions.

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By: Gideon http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-65811 Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:52:38 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-65811 *facepalm* please disregard my earlier statements. wonderful job kassadee. lol I

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By: deuce_for2 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-65778 Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:26:37 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-65778 Home is an experience. The people who fill Home are not just background, but are a core part of the experience themselves. The question that comes to mind is whether there is anything that could be done to influence the behaviors of those whose goal it is to make trouble. If the answer is yes, then Home could be made more fun by doing it. I just cannot myself think how to change those who want to be annoying. Schools have not figured this out and they have been working at it a lot longer than we have.

Anyone have any ideas?

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By: MJG74 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-65691 Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:06:20 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-65691 Maybe we should call these people Nubs, for now on?

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By: Burbie52 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-65499 Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:50:23 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-65499 When I wrote my “Goodbye to Plaza” article before the Hub hit I said the same thing Kassadee. I don’t know why people thought changing the venue would change the people inhabiting it. There will always be trolls in Home, it is a fact of life there. I always try to kill them with kindness and if that doesn’t work there is always report and ignore. I find that another persons opinion only carries as much weight as you give it. I rarely let anyone bother me too much, life’s too short to get upset over things that you can’t control.
Great job getting your points across as always.

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By: Kassadee Marie http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-65492 Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:35:57 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-65492 Ummm… Gideon? I’m KM. He was RP.

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By: Bullet_K http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-65427 Wed, 14 Dec 2011 01:45:52 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-65427 I was simply stating that a lot of people who are not new to home seem to use the term in a hurtful and degrading manner towards others. I have been on home for a long time and have seen both sides, from the new people and from the the people who have been here from the beginning. I was just saying that we all need to try and keep a positive attitude towards one another. I personally was attacked verbally yesterday by a new user trying to make them feel big and this does happen and I don’t like it anymore than the next person but I just ignored him and moved on. We all know there are going to be users of small character and intelligence from new and old. Thank you for not giving up on the ones who are worth helping.

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By: Gideon http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-65408 Wed, 14 Dec 2011 01:11:03 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-65408 Wow Kasadee way to start a firestorm of discussion. No way im reading all that. lol!

I never once for a minute thought changing central would change those in Home who are labeled “noobs” and “trolls”

I did notice that when you had that conversation, you sort of lead your results to an end. Your one word responses would have come across as crass and dismissive. How is someone asking about your experience in Home indicative of n00bery? I actually think this “n00b” did well with the conversation, especially considering the cold shoulder he was given. I mean, he asked you if you had been to the Cogs space, I think that’s a good thing to ask someone. It’s likely not everyone knows.

How are you supposed to make friends without making conversation? I know one of the major reasons I have spent less and less time in Home recently is that it seems like the community has become… closed off. Everyone is paranoid that everyone else is a n00b or a troll or some other meaningless label that the community uses to ostracize others that they are completely closed off to meeting someone new.

I think this “n00b” problem is just as much a problem with Home vets and snobs as it is with new members.

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By: Estim20 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-65387 Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:53:21 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-65387 That I can definitely back. Home definitely needs another great seller; Sodium certainly worked, though I agree Sodium 2 needs more track, as does the RC game. And there does need to be more social aspects -- the poker rooms had the right idea, so something along those lines would help immensely.

And god yes, Hudson. lol They touched on that element nicely -- your horse racing idea would work well I think.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-65385 Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:43:41 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-65385 No worries on the Greeks and Trojans,it’s ancient history.Much like the Nintendo stuff,I remember Nintendo trying many different gimmicks back then such as “The Power Glove” and some giant mat looking thing that looked like a “Twister” game in which you would run on.This game approach could work to attract more ppl to Home but the games need to be spot on.Top shelf graphics are probably an impossibility on Home for awhile so they should probably shoot for social games.Poker is a good try but the only other game I saw that let me play socially was the R/C car game but there aren’t enough tracks there,just like Sodium 2.I’d like to see a few more card games with a game chat feature or possibly a horse racing game that allowed us to raise the horses,like the dolphins at Hudson’s gate,and allowed us to ride them ourselves while talking to the other racers.There isn’t much inter-action with other ppl in Cogs and there are a zillion other FPS’s on disc’s.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-65380 Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:28:29 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-65380 It’s not so much that ppl in the Hub take away from my enjoyment but there isn’t much being added.In the Central Plaza I could count on having at least 1 interesting convo. a day,in the Hub I’m guarenteed to get 1 convo. a day that goes like this.”How do I get out of here?”(random person #1)”Turn off your PS3″(me)”Troll”(random person #2).Not much added enjoyment there.

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By: Estim20 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-65379 Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:21:58 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-65379 As for R.O.B., I didn’t mean to pin it as the reason in and of itself. R.O.B. was a manifestation of the strategy that helped, namely Nintendo thinking (if memory serves) it needed to market the system less as a video game platform and more a consumer electronic product.

It did this because, as you said, video games became boring, along with the shoddy porting of certain titles and quality issues in general. People distanced themselves from the video game market either way and Nintendo knew not to let people think ‘video games’ initially with the NES. And it worked in their favor.

Once it got into houses, Mario Bros. and other titles took over and truly sold the system. I kind of think Sony’s adopting a similar strategy here, as stated above, if for clearly distinct reasons.

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By: Estim20 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-65377 Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:13:01 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-65377 D’oh, thanks for the correction on the Trojan reference.

As for whether the ‘Trojan horse’ plan would work, the basic idea was pointing out that people that use Home regularly versus those that don’t have starkly different opinions on whether Home can support such a program as Home. I could imagine Sony targeting gamers who don’t use Home in this manner because it’ll be easier to convince them (hopefully) it’s more than a game once they’re inside. Once the user base is in, it becomes a chance for them to really improve the social elements, though they’ll still improve it as they always have (for better or worse depending one’s opinion on the matter naturally).

So they won’t simply stop the social improvements. Ideally they won’t, anyway.

I kind of view society at large as dismissive of video game consoles encroaching on this territory for some time, because MMOs only really appeared on console last generation and Home is the first non-MMO virtual reality we seen. We have nothing to compare it to and we’ve never had that type of social expectation on our consoles.

Don’t get me wrong, socialization has been and will continue to be a prominent aspect of gaming -- it’s just that when plenty of people think of non-MMO virtual realities, they think of PCs. It’s this audience Home wants to attract, it seems.

Why? Maybe the current audience is reaching a plateau; we’re the ones that didn’t need much selling on the idea but maybe we’ve reach the largest we’ll ever get. If that’s so, and even if it isn’t, Sony’s tackling a huge challenge: telling people who need more convincing to give Home a chance.

But that’s my conjecture and it really is conjecture at this point. Sony’s treatment of the PS3 as a gaming platform, at least early on if not so much so now, is with some justification if the general audience doesn’t view it the same way we do -- which might be worth figuring out. Are we representative of all PS3 users or do most not feel Home is ‘good enough’ to fulfill social needs?

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By: Joey68 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-65373 Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:00:36 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-65373 It’s just not in the Hub that you see the Glitchers and so on….You travel over to the Sodium Hub and enter Scorpio’s….AT ANY ONE GIVEN TIME You will see possibly more than one Avi getting their Coyote Ugly on…Which sometimes is very irritating because I like to play the “drinking game”… and it makes it difficult to concentrate when a set of legs are moving about …Ugh!…But those people Will never and I mean NEVER take away from my enjoyment of Home….

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-65371 Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:48:05 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-65371 A triple digit bundle would be something I’d take a very good look at.Of course if it was full of things I already had I probably wouldn’t buy it or if it didn’t look like a good deal,but the option would be appreciated.While I do sometimes feel that some items are a bit over the top for me I certainly wouldn’t expect everyone to make their purchases based on my idea of good taste.Everyone has the right to spend their cash as they see fit and I for one really like the bundle concept as a whole.There are some really good bargains in some of these bundles,even if you don’t use every item in it.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-65365 Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:36:25 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-65365 The crash in video games back in the day was basically caused because the games got boring.I’d credit the revival that nintendo brought about to Mario Bros. and other good games rather than any promotional robot.Also it was the Greeks that popped out of the Trojan Horse but on to more important things.I’m not too sure that the best way to make Home a socialization tool is by adding the types of games they added.Actually at the moment the only thing I’m using Home for is socialization,I think I’ve made my view of most of these new games clear,it was Sony that decided to treat Home as a gaming console when everyone that I know was and is screaming for more social applications.An MMO might be a way to go,although I seriously doubt it would magically solve the trolling issue,but there are many things Sony could do to make it more of a social network.It feels like Sony is putting the cart before the horse by hoping to build the user base of a social network by adding games.The way to build a social network is to enhance the social applications of that network.If you want to milk the populace of that network once it’s built go ahead and add games.But if you want to build your network on games then they need to have top-self graphics and/or a good story line or hook.Do Homes games have any of that?To some ppl maybe but for me they do not.

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By: deuce_for2 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/12/the-hub-the-new-noob-central/#comment-65335 Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:07:37 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=18785#comment-65335 Some people specifically ask for and request things like the gold suit, the diamond suit and the Mansion. What would you do for them if you were running Home? Tell them if they want to spend money to go elsewhere?

The people who run Home have to balance their requests against your criticism. There are people who are willing to pay almost anything for exclusive items. I have pitched items a lot more expensive than anything currently in Home and am hoping to create bundles that may end up in the triple figures. The question is not whether they will sell, but whether the community will rebel. It makes no sense, but it is a fact.

Someone has to pay for Home. If there is no revenue to support it, it goes away. When you say “for profit” that implies there is a profit. I have no knowledge that says there is.

Be happy that others will pay for items that you feel are not worth the price. They are paying so you get to play for less. The more they are influenced not to buy expensive items, the more Home will charge for the smaller items.

Sony has to get the money from somewhere. Start thanking the people who spend the money instead of trying to change them. It is in the best interest of Home in the long run.

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