Comments on: Home’s Class Divide, and Why It’s Good For Business http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/ The PlayStation Home Magazine Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:20:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.2 By: musicman1234 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-53502 Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:34:27 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-53502 Another fine article.Sure getting my attention HSM.
Here,Here to Powerscourt !! Salute!

I need to get my Cary Grant on. Judy,Judy,Judy. Anyone for a spot of tea?

lol

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By: Kassadee Marie http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-51978 Sun, 13 Nov 2011 07:49:56 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-51978 Thank you for so clearly saying what I have been trying to say for weeks. Sony is alienating a large group of people who may individually spend as much as the mansion owners, by making a class divide between the have’s and have-not’s. I don’t believe this is a class divide that WE are making, but one that Sony is deliberately making for profit. I can only hope that this idea fails, as it should, so we can see an end to this.

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By: Kassadee Marie http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-51967 Sun, 13 Nov 2011 07:34:07 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-51967 *SIGH* I have to say that assuming that everyone can buy whatever they want on Home is just wrong. I cannot afford the mansion (not that I would buy it if I could). I bought the Winter Villa and I hate that I do not have the jeep. I see enough class divisions in real life (yes, based solely on money). I HATE seeing it on Home, too.

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By: Bayern_1867 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-51804 Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:22:33 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-51804 Never having seen MTV, I can only guess what an “MTV crib” is. Spaces like the Mansion are much older than MTV: for examples, tour the waterfront mansions at Newport, RI and Saratoga, FL. The Mansion is a hoot, I enjoy it, but I bought the parts because I am fascinated by the idea of connectivity and add-ons for spaces. “Connectivity” turned out to be quite different from what I hoped but maybe some day… Can’t we suggest add-ons for existing spaces? How about a 2nd floor for the Harbour apt, w connections to the docks & a mooring for our yacht, whether it’s the Santorini or the Amaterasu? How about a connection to a beach or underwater scuba diving for a yacht? And I have more wants, as I’m sure most Home users have, for expanding my favorite spaces. That’s the real issue. People who want to sort others & themselves into groups will always find a way.

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By: Burbie52 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-51206 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:35:35 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-51206 The silliest thing about this “rope” controversy is that if the rope didn’t exist, and I went up the forbidden stairs to the top, all I would find is some doors I can’t use because I don’t own the mansion. The rope is kind of redundant as it really changes nothing. I think that the area doors at the top would have been better used if they took you to the different floors in the mall, like a real theater, and maybe the Hub and if they wanted to keep one for the mansion with a built in option to choose which floor to go to,like the jeep and helicopter do, so be it. This makes everyone happy, without causing so much ruckus.
They should take the rope down and let people find that it changes nothing. Then the next debate will start about changing the doors instead.
When it comes to class divides in Home, it will happen irregardless of what Sony does it is human nature, but I agree they shouldn’t foment it with their marketing. Doing as I said above and making one door the access point to the mansion would have sufficed.

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By: HearItWow http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-51100 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:16:47 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-51100 Put a stick in front of a group of people. Some will see it as a tool to move heavy things. Some will see it as a basis for a game. Some will see it as a weapon to conquer others.

The stick is, at once, all of these things and none of them. It is ultimately our individual perception of the stick that guides how we think about it.

The same goes for any sort of item-based class distinction, in Home or elsewhere. The only thing Home can ultimately offer us is a simulation of experience. What we bring to that simulation speaks volumes about who we are as individuals. Some will want to emulate the life they have, or aspire to, while others will see an opportunity to write the ills of the real world out of this reality. Those are the emotions that items like the Mansion and the Gold Suit prey upon, and they are dangerous emotions for marketers to toy with, because they generate visceral reactions on both sides.

I’ll criticize Norse for reading far too little into the emotional significance of these items. Glitchers, high-scorers and those who value grammar are nonstratified affinity groups. You earn your way into those groups by demonstrating a specific set of skills that the group finds appealing, whether it’s figuring out how to get on a bench or using punctuation as intended.

High-priced items come with no skill requirement, and no common bond among the buyers other than the ability to spend money. There is no intrinsic affinity among Gold Suit wearers or Mansion buyers, other than their decision to spend money on a particular item, something that anyone can do.

Yet there are those who will believe that these purchases place them in some rarefied social strata. Encouraging this behavior may put a few extra coins in the register, but it happens at the cost of those consumers who either don’t like these particular items or don’t believe they’re worth the money. To those consumers, the continual addition of perks for a subset of the community reeks of class separation, and in the long run will likely tend to inhibit sales more than grow them.

There’s certainly nothing wrong with Home rewarding its most loyal customers, it’s a matter of how its done. Why not go the Veemee route and add features to the Mansion spaces, as was done with The London Pub? Why not toss a special item to Mansion owners from time to time? Why must these rewards take the form of perks hidden in unrelated personal and public spaces?

I own all of the Mansion, so I’m a beneficiary of this largesse, but it doesn’t encourage me to buy anything. Winter Vacation Villa and Tycoon Penthouse joined my private spaces because of their merits and design, not because of some add-on.

As a professional marketer, this decision to create a “mansion class” in Home makes me shake my head, in part because it rewards fealty to a handful of spaces that not everyone wants to own, thus limiting participation, and in part because of the anger it engenders in a portion of the community. As a marketing experiment, it has not gone well.

Successful loyalty programs are broad-based and offer people some choice in how they participate. nDreams almost hit it right with their rewards program, but their failure to expand the qualifying items ultimately defines what the level of participation will be. If Home wants to reward users with a loyalty program, base it on spending, as Sony did with the $10 reward program in October.

Anything less is going to create a perception of a class divide, because a narrow portion of the user base is receiving special attention. That is the whole point of a loyalty program, but it should be based on broader criteria than ownership of a particular set of personal spaces.

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By: MsLiZa http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-50136 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 17:40:34 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-50136 In my mind, the Sodium analogy does not necessarily apply either. The Sodium VIP room could be considered a pilot’s lounge and thus open to pilots, i.e. owners of the pilot jacket. The room never really had much to offer anyway that would give anybody the incentive to buy the jacket for access. People bought the jacket to play the game, period.

This theatre VIP floor, on the other hand, has absolutely nothing to do with the mansion. It’s just an attempt by Sony to boost sales of the personal space. I don’t know what lies beyond the velvet rope and, therefore, cannot comment on its value as a purchase incentive.

The part that irks me about the jeep and the helicopter is that buyers do not get full value for their purchase without buying another space. If the jeep is a feature of the villa then it should be there for anyone who buys the villa, likewise the helicopter. Just my opinion.

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By: MsLiZa http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-49851 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 22:00:00 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-49851 The funny part for me is that I didn’t know what that velvet rope in the theatre was all about. I thought that people were just glitching past it. Duh on me.

So just to be clear, anybody who owns part (or parts) of the mansion can access the upper floor?

Not that it matters much to me really. I don’t own the mansion, the villa nor the tycoon penthouse. Nor do I care much about the jeep, helicopter nor the VIP floor at the theatre. Let’s face it…the supposed VIP spaces on Home are all lame anyway.

Sodium VIP = always empty
Guitar Hero VIP = forgotten
EA Fight Night VIP = long gone
PS+ lounge in EU = tacky
VIP stairway to the second floor of the theatre = big whoop-dee-freakin-doo!

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-49848 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:37:59 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-49848 Why should purchased items create a class divide?It shouldn’t but it often does.What I’m talking about in references to Sony selling to classes are the classes we make ourselves based on mutual interests,you know things like a shared interest in art for example might indicate to Sony that they should sell things that would benefit art lovers if there were a class of ppl that asked for items based on that love.Classes are probably even broader than “fams” in definition but I believe that if Sony were to look into these class distinctions it would provide some good market research for them.Why are ppl jealous of what others do or own?Who knows but coveting our neighbors goods and being jealous of others are some very deeply ingrained traits of mankind.I’m not claiming these are good or bad things,like Norse pointed out business is often amoral,I’m just saying that I see no good reason why Sony shouldn’t use our faults to their profit advantage,after all they can play on these things but in the end we are responsible for what we buy.Neither is Sony responsible for how our purchases make us feel,as long as the purchases work and aren’t deceptively sold.

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By: Susan http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-49816 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:48:20 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-49816 Ya, the poker bracelet thingy was more about what the video reminded me of. The Sodium and jeep/helicopter are a great reference. For me none of it matters I guess. I have the attitude that if I want something I will get it. As for the Sodium VIP area, When I asked people how come I did not have access and discovered what was needed, I went and got it. Just as I did with the jeep.

I still do not understand why that should divide people into classes as CTHULU93 referenced: the haves and have nots. I understand how it could evolve because that is something I believe to be emotionally based. But why should it? Why is to difficult for people just to relish in what they have and not be jealous of what others do? I see all three of the items as a great reward for purchasing all of the spaces. Sony gives out alot of rewards to people who choose not to spend alot if any money on here. I see it a balance. Am I out of touch and don’t see this as an issue like other people have chosen to be vocal about?

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-49801 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:22:13 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-49801 Yeah the poker bracelets are a poor analogy but the VIP area in Sodium 1 is a closer analogy.What is the difference between having to buy Salt-Shooter in order to get into the VIP area and having to buy the Mansion in order to use the jeep or helicopter?(Other than price)

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By: MsLiZa http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-49789 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:52:02 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-49789 The difference is that EA Fight Night space VIP’s had to earn those diamond bracelets by playing poker in Home. The people who played enough poker to earn the diamond bracelet were arguably deserving of their VIP distinction.

Sony was not trying to sell the bracelets with the attached VIP status.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-49708 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 09:57:00 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-49708 Well it creates at least 2 classes,those who have and those who have not,don’t need to move much poo to see that.When those that have not see what those that have possess they buy the item themselves if they like it,secretly or openly yearn to buy it but are unable to buy it for financial reasons or reject the idea of buying it(for w/e reasons).This could be seen as intentionally or unintentionally creating classes by Sony by some ppl.When it comes to other classes/groups I just don’t see class seperations created by users and voluntarily joined by all involved as a bad thing.Ppl generally flock to like minded others to spend their time with and to say that user created class distinctions on Home are universally a bad thing is just wrong in my view.I’m pretty sure that the whole idea behind Home was to make money right from the start,very few ppl go into business solely for the reason of making other ppl happy.There is almost always a profit motive,however,IF a company can make it’s customers happy while making cash it works out much better for all involved.Now IF there were a great outcry for supplying a group/class of ppl with certain items why would Sony refuse to make them happy?I don’t think Sony is in business to alienate it’s customers,not much profit there.Like I said before,I have no idea if they were trying to make a group/class of ppl on Home happy or not.What I’m trying to get across is this:Why shouldn’t Sony find out what these classes/groups are and give them what they want?After all,I believe that’s what brought the poker room back.I wish the jeep and helicopter did more too,heck I could make a very long list of things I wish we could do or have but I’m not gonna leave Home or stop buying things until my “wish list” comes true.These might be the 1st baby steps to some of the things I truly do want from my wish list.

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By: Susan http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-49677 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 07:37:58 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-49677 I just watched this video and all I could conjour up is that it is reminiscent of the Ea Fight Night space. Those who had a Diamond bracelet from the black poker tables were allowed access behind the ropes and on the stage. Someone please educate me for I am at a loss to see how that constitutes a social class separation. Anyone can find poo in a pot of gold if they just move the pieces around..

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By: Susan http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-49558 Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:38:27 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-49558 “Sometimes when I consider what tremendous consequences come from little things…
I am tempted to think…
There are no little things.
-Bruce Barton

I struggled with what to say on this topic, so I’ll just ramble a bit..

For me, I am known to say I did not care about the price of something on here. I bought a dress that cost 10 dollars. I might buy the diamond bundle I don’t know yet. I am deciding if it has a return value for me. To paraphrase what Joanna Dark said before, when I buy something, it needs to have the ability to be multi tasked. I do not look at something and ask if I purchase it, will it demote me or elevate me to another tier on the HOME social ladder?

I have a tendency to look at the purchases I make as an investment into the video projects we produce. If I need it I will buy it. When I bought the Winter Villa and did not see the jeep, I went out and bought what I needed to acquire that jeep. I did not buy the Villa for the jeep or to be at a social class level. I would have bought the jeep if sold separately. I needed it for video shoot. Same as for the Tycoon space. I would love to have that helicopter waiting for me at my Tropical space, and if we could fly it to The Hub and land on the yacht moored at the Pier Park there, how epic would that be?

Are these two commodities used as bait to buy upgrades? Sony is a business that is in the business of making money. Yes they are an entertainment company but it is still about the bottom line. If they made more video making equipment/props for us machinamers to purchase, are they creating social class and would they attempt to exploit that? I would hope so, because I would if I was a decision maker at Sony.

I would not refrain from purchasing a commodity because of a person or group telling me on how it might personify me.

As a retail marketer my self, I can see a reason for that approach. Take the Sodium 2 solo racer machines.. To be competitive you are going to have to keep a supply of booster rockets. Eventually you will max out your level and the credits you receive will be less. Working at Scorpios hustling drinks gives you a small return on your labor and squishing scorpions is boring. At some point I needed decide how to get those boosters. I bought what I needed. Did Sony have this premise in mind from the onset? For me it does not matter. They are a business and I am a greedy consumer as well as a stock holder.

If there are indeed some type of social classes being formed on Home, well, we are a product of our environment. To me this is cause and effect. When Sony creates a commodity with a certain price point, I choose to believe they are very aware of the consequences their decisions have. As NorseGamer articulated earlier: artificial classes are already prevalent on HOME. The Nation of Avatars has been exploiting that since they started making “fams” on here.. Social classes are a way of life in the real world and I see how that can’t but find its way into the realm of HOME. My position is I am indifferent to it. To my surprise I was dubbed an elitist because of my affiliations on HOME. I scoffed at that notion. There was a adage that went something like: “It is their reality therefore it is real to them”.

HOME is what a person makes of it.

I see Sony as presenting many different options out there for the consumer. Not everything we like nor is everything is bad or “conspiracy driven”. I see Sony as making tremendous leaps and bounds by constantly responding to reader/player feedback. I would say if your gonna give me a jeep and a helicopter( which I use alot) maybe allow me some diversity in its use.

Darth Vader: Asteroids do not concern me,Admiral. I want that ship and not excuses.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-49526 Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:31:55 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-49526 Well of course the idea of classes on Home based on purchases is silly,I don’t think that’s in question.What is in question is whether or not it’s successful in pushing sales.If it increases sales for Sony I don’t see a problem with the way it’s now being used.Is there potential for that way of thinking to go too far?Of course there is.I just don’t think it’s reached that point yet.If ppl want to believe they are upper class because they bought some gold items why should we destroy their fantasy?As long as they’re not harming others I support their right to be self-delusional.I also support my right to laugh in their faces if they take it too far.As for the marketing angle the truth is if it works it will stay,if it doesn’t work it probably won’t stay.Of course it could be more practical,many things on Home could be but from my point of view the jeep and helicopter was a unlooked for bonus content for nothing more than I had already spent.Coercion would imply that you are being forced to buy something against your will,I just don’t see that here.Sony can’t make you buy anything,only our wants,desires,greed,jealousies,fantasies,etc. can do that and I have no desire to disparage others purposes of buying something.Only when they flash it in my face and expect me to agree with their fallacious class assumptions will I question them about their reasons.Having to have the “right” reasons,in other ppl’s minds,to buy something just seems odd to me.We are free to be foolish with our cash for w/e reasons we see fit and I see no reason Sony shouldn’t play into the odd reasons as well as the “right” ones in order to hawk their virtual wares.

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By: Joanna Dark http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-49492 Sun, 06 Nov 2011 14:11:03 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-49492 Yes Liza. Someone with common sense and a realistic view of where we should be and where we should be going.

Just to clarify the discussion from earlier now that the Beta NDA is over I’ve made this video. Obviously the debate wasn’t just about a jeep and a helicopter. For those who support this separation as fine and dandy I will say I’m really disappointed in all of you. This was vehemently opposed in the Beta forum. That debate had little to no effect sadly with the launching of our New Home.

This is absolutely ridiculous in my view and for a Sony official here to seem to find this just find and dandy is extremely disappointing. North American Home needs to get a clue.

It’s a sad state of affairs and heaven only knows where it will end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecTGPvMhPM8&feature=player_profilepage

I’m done with this debate in this comments section. Supporting Sony at any cost seems to be the order of the day with some I’m afraid.

Obi-wan would have been opposed to this development I suspect. Money appears to be the only truth some are concerned about. That is really sad.

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By: MsLiZa http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-48452 Thu, 03 Nov 2011 00:35:12 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-48452 If the jeep and/or helicopter could transport the user to a self-configured list of personal or private spaces, then it would be far more practical. You could potentially place your 5 favourite spaces into the “jeep GPS menu” or the “helicopter auto-pilot” as a short-cut. “It’s time to race the dolphies, fly me to Hudson Gate” or whatever.

Another option could be a method for transporting all of your guests from one personal space to another. “Attention all Penthouse guests, we will now be boarding the helicopter for the Winter Villa”

As it stands now, the jeep and helicopter just seem like a method to coerce users into buying more personal spaces. I don’t like the idea of needing to buy more personal spaces to activate the full features of one that you already own.

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By: MsLiZa http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-48447 Thu, 03 Nov 2011 00:23:15 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-48447 The notion that buying any item on Home grants a user access to an upper class is laughable at best and pathetic at worst. The only thing that’s extraordinary about any of this gaudy, golden-pixel painted rubbish is the price. I had the same argument on the Playstation Forum a few months ago with some lad who was planning on buying the cheeseball gold suit for “bragging rights”. Ugh. I advised him to buy the suit if he liked it but not to believe it would impress anyone.

If someone can afford to buy an Alpine estate or Rolls Royce Phantom in real life, it certainly places the buyer among the socioeconomic elite class. The problem with the “Exclusive” merchandise on Home is that anybody can afford to buy it if they choose to do so. I could buy the mansion, villa and tycoon penthouse along with every other personal space without making much of a dent in my finances. So what? I’m sure that any 15 year old slinging burgers at McDonald’s could own them as well. I can hardly say the same thing about buying a 90-foot luxury yacht to cruise the Greek Islands in real life.

The perception of exclusive items and the supposed elite status to which they entitle the buyer is entirely fabricated by Sony for marketing purposes. I’ve chided Locust_Star and Glasswalls in the past for their use of the terms “elite class” and “exclusive” in the blogs. A free item that is only available for a week (Central Plaza souvenir) or a difficult reward to win (Golden VICKIE) are far more exclusive than anything available in the mall. If someone likes an expensive object enough to justify the price, then he/she should definitely buy it. Just don’t feel like the purchases are reserved for some high society of Home. As far as I’m concerned, the popularity of $15 pixelated suits and $35 virtual mansions just proves P.T. Barnum’s legendary maxim.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/homes-class-divide-and-why-its-good-for-business/#comment-47695 Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:20:43 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=16962#comment-47695 Well I certainly support Navigator Bar alternatives,anything that saves me time is a bonus.I think what’s being protested isn’t the technology but the fact that you must spend cash on the Mansion to get it.Maybe it’s because I already had the Mansion that I don’t see the problem.I view it as a bonus to those that spent the cash on the Mansion,so ty to whoever thought of them.I don’t think they add much to the overall looks to the place but whenever I want to travel between these areas I use them to save time.Much like the way Lockwood put linking teleporters in the “Blaster’s Paradise” space to Sodium’s 1&2.I use those all the time when I want to go to the linked areas.

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