Comments on: Birthday Boy Blues http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/ The PlayStation Home Magazine Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:20:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.2 By: Burbie52 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/#comment-42303 Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:54:45 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14899#comment-42303 Agreed, Terra.

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By: Terra_Cide http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/#comment-42083 Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:10:24 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14899#comment-42083 I agree -- no policy, either from Sony or a government -- is going to perfectly protect children (or keep them from wanting to be a part of the “adult world”) 100% of the time. I may be a parent, but I’m also a realist, and I haven’t forgotten what it was like being a child/adolescent.

(As an aside, it does amuse me greatly to watch teens behave like rebels -- as if they’re the first ones ever to have thought of behaving in such a manner since the dawn of time.)

There’s only one sure way to help keep my child safe, and it starts with me and my choice to actively seek information and educate myself on ways of keeping him safe. Not all parents choose this, sadly, and all the regret in the world cannot change an unfortunate event.

As for the inquiry as to why there is no report option specifically geared towards child predation, my guess is that it’s because in their eyes, it falls under the umbrella term of sexual harassment. Although personally, I would totally advocate its addition to the report list, as it is a much more serious offence than the generic crotch sniffing.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/#comment-42076 Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:16:48 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14899#comment-42076 I generally like to give ppl credit for having a brain in their heads so I believe the best course of action for this problem is providing accurate info. to parents and then let them do what parents should be doing:namely teaching their kids good moral lessons.The pitfalls of segregation have already been pointed out so I’ll address the idea of seperate cards.There are some aspects of this that clearly match under-age alcohol consumption so I’ll use that as a template.In my state alcohol can’t be sold to anyone under 21 yrs of age,however in the early days of this law there was little economic incentive by business’ to comply with it.2ndly there is a cottage industry of over 21 yr olds who quite willingly buy alcohol for minors,for a steep premium.Lastly I think many parents would buy the 18+(or w/e age) cards for their kids if the kids squawked loud enough.The truth is I seriously doubt there is any 100% fool-proof way to keep kids seperate from adults or predators from engaging kids but if the kids are informed of the dangers and given some general guidelines that would help them make informed decisions about how much info. to give out and to whom I think many problems could be avoided.I am kind of curious though as to why there isn’t a report option that specifically address’ child predation or it’s appearence.There are a # of reasons I could guess as to why but the actual reason would be rather telling about Sony’s view(s) on this topic.

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By: Kassadee Marie http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/#comment-41850 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:52:06 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14899#comment-41850 Wow! I don’t think she said that! There’s nothing wrong with “underage” gamers on Home. There’s something wrong with the monsters who prey on underage kids.

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By: ted2112 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/#comment-41833 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:10:25 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14899#comment-41833 This was a fantastic article Darth Granny! On a article I did last month called “what is real?” I was arguing that Home is evolving into a society. Unfortunately many of the problems society has comes with that evolution. I couldn’t agree more that under-age gamers should not be allowed on Home due to the lack of moderators.(on top of it being annoying for us old farts!)

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By: Gary160974 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/#comment-41769 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:48:26 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14899#comment-41769 I think there should be premium public spaces example take silicon lounge put generic sodium music from hub and games in there and perhaps a few more music tracks, make it so you have to buy something say a teleport like the sodium two one and thats the only way to access there as per slap happys concept and theres a premium public space thats instantly harder for unwanteds to get in to, plus if the ps3 is set correct from the start there should be a master account for adult and sub account for child if the adult chooses to bypass this then thats they problem. great article as a user of second life imvu and home I can say that they all have bout the same level of protection for minors, if the minor wants to lie they can get round it, to go into adult world in second life is incredibly easy

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By: Aeternitas33 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/#comment-41709 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 03:13:00 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14899#comment-41709 Send a message to MercuryValentine or HomeForumMods on the official forums.

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By: keara22hi http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/#comment-41708 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 02:57:38 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14899#comment-41708 I really wrestled with this one simply because I have some friends in Home who are under 18 and yet are amazingly mature for their age. I have no hesitation about whether they should be in Home. They should -- because they are knowledgeable enough to be able to have a good time in Home without being endangered. But (1) I am finding children as young as 8 in Home without supervision (2) Parents need to be warned to implement parental controls and (3) by the time a child predator does something that can be ‘reported’, the damage is done.

For example, yes, it would have been good if I had ‘reported’ each one who approached my 13 year old male avatar, but the initial ‘trust building’ phase was always innocuous. It wasn’t until he would broach the idea of a private chat room that the warning bells would start ringing. And I don’t see anyway to report that kind of suspicious behavior at that point.

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By: NorseGamer http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/#comment-41686 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 00:11:49 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14899#comment-41686 It is worth noting that the article states, “Virtual realities already have to fight the stigma of being conducive grounds for sexual predation, and by no means do I wish to suggest that this is the norm.”

Also, the article’s penultimate paragraph seems to indicate that Keara is acknowledging that it’s not Sony’s responsibility to raise children. And that’s what makes this such a thorny issue: it’s a societal problem which does exist.

Now, that said, I completely agree that the PC is a much greater risk than the PS3. And I also agree that any such suspicious behavior should be reported. Of course, observing such behavior and *proving* the intent behind it can be difficult, which is why there may be some validity to the idea of age-restricting Home.

Of course, from a business standpoint, this produces a conundrum that’s already been pointed out: how much revenue does Sony stand to lose by age-restricting Home? That financial data is the missing piece, which we of course have no access to. I’ll bet Sony’s looked at it, though.

(This, by the way, is the same potential conflict of interest Sony may have with moderation in Home: Sony actually has a financial incentive to be lenient with troublemakers, as they cannot quantify how much revenue they might gain by kicking out a miscreant, but they can almost certainly measure how much a particular account has spent in Home, and extrapolate future losses based on blocking that account.)

There are no easy answers. But one of the things I love with HSM, because our primary focus is Home’s social issues, is that we ask *a lot* of questions — questions which I don’t necessarily see being asked elsewhere. And that’s why these sorts of discussions can be so valuable.

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By: Aeternitas33 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/#comment-41678 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 23:48:30 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14899#comment-41678 Unless I’m missing something, the primary purpose of Home is to sell games, and you want Sony to lock out a prime demographic that purchases games. I would definitely consider that a “break” in the revenue stream.

The web browser on the PS3 is pretty weak. And as I stated before, there already exist parental controls for it -- which parents don’t use. Further, the lack of a keyboard would make it difficult to use, the same as with the Home application. I still feel PCs are a much greater risk.

But if you’re saying that you found a child predator within 18 minutes of entering Home, well, first I hope you’ve reported all of these people, and second, it seems to me that you are very much suggesting that this is the norm.

Personally, instead of explaining how to identify vulnerable children, I would have focused on how to identify would be child predators. I also would have directed my remarks more at parents, explaining the need to communicate with and educate their children, rather than looking to Sony to solve this problem. It is after all a societal problem.

Although I can sympathize with someone who might wish to create a separate server for 13-16 year olds, or even 13-18 year olds, I see this creating new problems, including the inability of grandparents and parents to interact with their own family members while using Home.

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By: keara22hi http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/#comment-41605 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 17:14:21 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14899#comment-41605 Yes, Aeternitas, I wrote this article back in August when the worst of the summer holidays were at a peak. Some things have definitely changed for the better: the new Help section in the Navigator, for example. And the descriptions of the new Hub indicate that this problem is being addressed.

What worries me the most is that children using a PS3 can also get into the internet as well as into Home. I did not know that until I was told that this magazine could be accessed through the PS3. Up to that point I had never realized that -- although I had owned a PS3 since the first week they were sold. I will wager most parents do not realize it -- and have set no parental controls on that PS3.

I was not suggesting an age requirement for use of a PS3. Only for entry into Home. Parents would still buy games for Birthday Boy so no break in the revenue stream.

As for the keyboards, when I went undercover as Birthday Boy, one of the first things that emboldened the predators who approached me was that I obviously was not using a keyboard. Those are pics of me in the article -- and the first time my “little boy” avatar was solicited was 18 minutes after I entered
CP for the first time in that avatar.

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By: Aeternitas33 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/#comment-41599 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:47:42 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14899#comment-41599 Keara, although I’m somewhat sympathetic to your point of view, and would support a 16 or over age requirement, I don’t see Sony eliminating everyone but legal adults from Home -- ever. Young children may not have credit cards, but their parents do. And even though those parents may not want to buy them PSN cards, they will buy them games – and selling games of course, is Sony’s #1 priority.

Several types of parental controls already exist on the PS3. The problem is that all too often the parents don’t know how to use them – but the children do. Sure, there are plenty of adults in Home who can work their way around a PC, but that doesn’t change the fact that for decades now children have tended to be the technology experts in most homes – which is why you often find children setting up PS3s instead of their parents.

Many of the problems you’ve raised will be addressed by the new HUB. Every press release about it has stated that it will make games more prominent and easier to find in Home. That should reduce the problem of latchkey kids who don’t have anything to do. And really, if these children are that young, are you really sure you want them to have keyboards? One could argue that not having keyboards insulates them from would-be predators.

However, my personal feeling is that PCs are still a much greater danger to children than PS3s. PCs are everywhere, along with social sites like Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, YouTube, etc. I’ve heard of one, maybe two cases, of sexual predators in Home actually meeting up with a child. That can’t even begin to be compared with the problems posed by social networks. Personally, I don’t think adults should have Facebook accounts, let alone children, but that’s a speech I’ll save for another time.

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By: CheekyGuy http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/#comment-41596 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:44:42 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14899#comment-41596 The buying of a separate ‘Mature’ PSN Card would be a welcome idea for a locked off area on home to be bought over the Cigarette and alcohol counter of a store to which proof of age must be shown. A brief, animated tutorial could help new users booting up Home for the first time understand how to use it’s interface.

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By: julie_love http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/#comment-41583 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 15:23:56 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14899#comment-41583 Nice article Keara, and as you know we run into a lot of these latch key kids while we’re out doing our Meet and Greets.

One thing you didn’t touch on is the impact that having hundreds or thousands of these kids flooding Home at certain times has on everyone else. Many people I know find it unbearable to spend time in public spaces in Home because there are so many of them.

At present I think that Home’s moderation practices favor these pests and trolls above all other users. There is no program in place to welcome new people into Home and help them to socialize to the new environment.

The new help commands on the menu help, but there needs to be some kind of a tutorial created to help ease new users into Home.

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By: Bonita http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/#comment-41579 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 15:05:23 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14899#comment-41579 The article was good.. BUT.. you showed only one side of the story. You forgot to mention how this effects the regular ppl on there. I get bothered,stalked,harrassed,insulted and what not by those kinda ppl . They think they’re anonymous behind their screen and can do anything they want. Why are there not moderators? Reporting won’t do the job as I experienced so far. Why is there not a system that when x number of ppl report a person for stalking that at least removes that person from the scene?
Why are there no guards that at least are availabe in the main public places like mall, plaza etc? Why is there no age check? Why can ppl change their gender?
My suggestions :
1. Moderators
2. the game should initially cost 20 $ and 80 % of all the noobs would not even enter . only people who are really interested would join.
3. No gender changin. chose one in the beginning and after that no more changing.
4. for 10 of the 20 $ ppl will get a voucher for a set of clothes and a private place so not everyone look like clones.
there is much more in my mind but these points i made above would already drastically change PS Home for the good.

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By: Burbie52 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/#comment-41557 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 12:52:01 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14899#comment-41557 Oh and I meant to say great article Granny!

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By: Burbie52 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/#comment-41556 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 12:50:40 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14899#comment-41556 I have spoken myself about these concerns in my previous article. “How Young Is Too Young For Home?”.
I too have met kids from all over the world in Home who are much too young to be in here. It is a real concern for me, but kassadee brings up a valid point in that though we might be able to segregate kids into a different environment by asking proof of age, what is to stop a predator from pretending to be younger and diving into what they would consider a wonderland of opportunity.
The only way this could be avoided is to have to show proof of age for everyone on every account, young and old. And I believe that 16 and older would be a better cut off point for the segregation. Most 16 year old kids have enough savvy to be able to take care of themselves.
The suggestion you made about putting a flyer in each PS3 box warning parents about internet accessibility and telling them about parental controls is a good one and would help a bit I think.
I agree with what you say about not being a parent if you don’t have the time kassadee, but it is too late for that, and the problem does need to be addressed.
I heard a great suggestion about age verification awhile back. How about Sony makes special PSN cards that don’t cost anything and put them into the stores you normally buy them from. These would have codes needed to access the two different areas of Home, PG and Mature, but you would have to have proof of age to get them at the store, just like buying alcohol. This might help to curb some of the issues we are looking at here, and in this way if a parent wants to allow their kids access they themselves would have to get the card for them, raising awareness of the situation in the process. Just a thought.

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By: Kassadee Marie http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/#comment-41531 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:06:46 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14899#comment-41531 I see your point of view and I myself have “adopted” a 10 year old as my little brother on Home to try and keep him safe, but I have to say that I would hate to be separated into an area with only teenagers. Teen age boys are yucky and they can’t talk sensibly. Also, I don’t see how adults would be kept out of this area and wouldn’t it give a true predator a “feasting ground” of sorts? I don’t have a solution to these issues, but I’ve thought about them a lot. It always seems to come back to the parents doing their job. If they’re too busy for kids, they shouldn’t have them.

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By: CheekyGuy http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/10/birthday-boy-blues/#comment-41528 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 10:44:22 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14899#comment-41528 Absolutely fantastic article, and i’m sure there are many other people that have expressed similar concerns. I do think we should have something similar to second life in that there should be a Home for teens, but even in myself suggesting this, how easy is it to spot an adult o a minor on home? and to update you as a SecondLife user, our community was shocked and dismayed to learn that ‘Second life ‘Teens’ grid is no longer running, so this causes all kinds of problems in terms of management and sexual predator concerns, and most second life users, statistically speaking are parents themselves. But what has happened recently is that SL has now been put into 3 categories of age group (PG, Mature and ‘Adult’) the Adult area is completely locked off and you need to be age verified to view content. This can be your passport number along with a scanned picture of yourself. Again, to a smart kid this isn’t nothing, he can simply raid his dad’s bedroom drawer. (An issue has been raised by Second Life Talkshow Host ‘Paisley Beebe’ to Sex Club owner ‘Stephanie SteamWeaver’ on ‘Tonight with Paisley Beebe’.) On the user etiquette of Home, why not set up a ‘How to’ video that can be shown during the loading screen of Home that can benefit everyone on Home?

Again, this is an issue that needs to be raised and addressed, and my only question is, why wasn’t this issue raised sooner?

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