Comments on: Echo Chronicles: The Uses of Glory http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/ The PlayStation Home Magazine Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:20:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.2 By: Bananamuffin420 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-37818 Sun, 25 Sep 2011 07:42:44 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-37818 You have alot of socks!!!

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-36921 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:18:59 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-36921 I’ll try to clarify what I’m talking about here,but just may end up farther confusing the issue.Why I lump all groups together and call them a “fam” is that there are basic fundamental structural characteristics which all these groups share,like the mass movements Norse talked about,which makes them quite similiar in many respects.I’m not passing judgement on their goals or the character of a groups members by calling them such.I’m not calling into question your decision to associate your magazine with the Homelings or any other group,it’s your magazine so you should feel free to do with it as you please.I just thought it odd that I was accused of always talking about “fam”‘s when the Homeling name is always staring me in the face when I use this site.Some ppl may view the term “fam” a certain way but it’s not universally a derogatory term in the way that some words Irl are seen as,IMO.In some basic ways such as public displays of numbers,having a command structure,having a distinctive uniform or appearence,having social functions,being filled with ppl just looking for fun etc. the Homelings are the same as any other group called “fam”.Now there are great differences in the names and the way these things are conducted but at the core of things there isn’t much difference that I can see.Now if by “having an agenda” Aeternitas33 was reffering to comments I made on another site about the Homelings then my defense would be that what I said there fits entirely with what I’ve said here.I’m not sure exactly what I said there now but it was to the effect that betrayals from superiors and friends for the purposes of self-advancement of rank happen in “fams” all the time so that if what that person said was true about the Homelings,and I’m in no way saying that it was/is,then it was another similiarity between the Homelings and “fams” and another reason I think of them as the same.Thanks for the book refferal Norse,I’m always looking for a good read and that 1 just might have practical applications for Home.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-36812 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:17:59 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-36812 Also I’ll call them w/e if it will make everyone happy,as long as all other groups are called the same.I have no love for the name “fam” it’s just the most widely used term that I know of that entirely pertains to Home.A club could be just a gaming club,say for blk-ops,but a “fam” is unique to Home.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-36809 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:13:20 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-36809 Lol that’s funny because I’m sure we don’t view trolls the same way either.Go ahead call me w/e you like,I have no proprietary right to the name cthulu so it doesn’t bother me 1 bit.That’s 1 difference here,I’m emotionally detached from the Homelings and most other groups.The only group I’m invested in is my own and feel free to call us w/e you wish as it will make no fundamental difference to us what we are called.I’m starting to get the feeling that Home is starting to become too serious at times.Ok I’ll bite,tell me all the ways the Homelings are different from any other groups on Home.

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By: Aeternitas33 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-36804 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:00:02 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-36804 I said there aren’t hundreds of different groups in Home, as in hundreds of different types. But just for amusement, let’s say you’re correct. Since by your own admission “almost no two are alike” why are you calling them all fams, instead of the more generic term “club”?

“Furthermore, just because someone wants to be called something doesn’t mean they should be…” Ok, have it your way. For the sake of simplicity, from now on I’ll just refer to you as troll93, because I don’t view the “troll” name in the same way as you do, and it’s a utility thing for me and confers no intentional disrespect.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-36802 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:52:33 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-36802 And as far as mental deficiency goes maybe it never occurred to you that some ppl have rather short memories.As Irl I’m highly medicated more often than not I don’t remember ppl’s or groups names all that well unless they’ve done something memorable to me.I don’t write this stuff down and if you think most groups are memorable your kidding yourself.There are a few exceptions,as there always is,but most groups haven’t made any personable impression on me.Am I seriously expected to remember which 1 wants to be a “fam” or a collective or a commission or a corporation or an army or a royal society or a clan or so on and so on.Next you will be expecting me to remember the ranking system of each group and addressing each person by their groups ranks,please.Not gonna happen.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-36799 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:38:18 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-36799 You doubt that there are hundreds of fams on Home?I think you might want to get out a little more,My group alone has alliances of 1 kind or another with over 40 of them and these are all small groups that I’ve just happened to run into and like.As for an agenda I just don’t know wth your talking about as quite honestly I,my group,and most of the ppl I hang out with regularly have no feelings towards the Homelings as a group 1 way or the other.Tell me what these connotations you speak of are in relation to the term “fam” because I seriously have had dealings with many of them and almost no 2 are alike.Some may be similiar in some respects but not enough to say they all act alike and act differently than the Homelings do.You may be quite fine with segregation based on Illusions and fairy tales but I’d rather get my fairy tales from Lovecraft than from ppl that have no clue as to what they are talking about,which is what I’m hearing alot of lately.Furthermore just because someone wants to be called something doesn’t mean they should be,you know how many ppl on Home there are,probably right at this min.,who claim to own Home?Should we all call each one the owner of Home simply because they wish it?Well you can if you want to but I’ll still be calling them as I see them.

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By: Aeternitas33 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-36795 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:14:42 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-36795 @ NorseGamer – Although I’ve never mentioned this before, The True Believer is one of those books which I read over and over again myself. Similar to what you are saying, I found it to be a key which helped me unlock many mysteries.

@ Cthulu93 – In the interest of saving time I’ll be blunt. There aren’t hundreds of different groups in Home. And even if there were, I rather doubt you have trouble distinguishing the hundreds of people you’ve come across in Home, and the dozens of people you undoubtedly have on your friends list. Or do you expect us to believe that you call all your friends by the same name too? Perhaps it’s just the idealist in me, but I’d like to believe that someone who has read Lovecraft isn’t quite that mentally deficient.

Suppose I were to decide that all avatars in Home are essentially the same, and started calling everyone Cthulu. I take it you would have no objection, correct? After all, we wouldn’t want to start treating people differently, now would we? And it would make things so much easier not to have to remember all those pesky names…

As sealwyf rightly points out, words have commonly accepted meanings. The word “fam” for example, as used in Home, has some pretty definite connotations, most of which do not apply to the Homelings. So by persisting in the use of a term for the Homelings which is clearly misleading, while ignoring their own chosen term which is more accurate and descriptive, you are not only being intentionally disrespectful but also betraying a definite agenda.

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By: NorseGamer http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-36784 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 07:50:43 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-36784 One thing you’ll notice, if you read HomeStation with any regularity, is a semi-liberal usage of Eric Hoffer quotations.

The reason for this is that he wrote “The True Believer: Thoughts On the Nature of Mass Movements” — one of only about five or six books I’ve ever read that actually *changed* my life, as opposed to merely enriching it.

One of the core tenets of the book is that the fundamental underpinnings of nearly all mass movements — the people who create them, the people who sustain them, the people who follow them, and what methods are used to maintain cohesiveness — are basically the same. It’s simply a matter of what *ends* the movement strives to achieve.

In our day and age, we have a negative predilection towards the concept of a mass movement; it conjures up too many scary images. In practice, however, many of the most successful business entities, sports leagues, and even societies within virtual reality demonstrate the same fundamental structure and patterns.

The Homeling Collective, to me, tends to exemplify many of Home’s best social qualities. Hence why HomeStation proudly supports the Homelings. Though no group is without its missteps, it’s been my personal observation that, on balance, the Collective is populated by some truly talented and *interesting* people with good hearts.

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By: Keara22hi http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-36729 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 02:26:37 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-36729 I want that Banana Cream Pie to be a la mode and with sprinkles of bacon bits.

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By: Susan http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-36703 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 00:12:07 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-36703 mmmmmmm does dinner include BACON???????

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By: sealwyf http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-36689 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 00:03:53 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-36689 Understood. And this discussion reminds me of the contortions people of my generation have gone through, decade by decade, to try to be politically correct in their references to people of color and different abilities. Call us a “fam” if you will. Call us anything you like, as long as it’s not “cult”, or “late to dinner.” :)

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-36645 Tue, 20 Sep 2011 22:35:41 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-36645 Maybe that’s the problem here Seal,I don’t view the “fam” name in the same way as you describe,and I know I’m not alone.I believe it’s a short walk from labeling groups differently to treating them differently based on their name so I call them all the same and as “fam” seems to be the most common name that’s the 1 I use.By calling the Homelings a “fam” I don’t mean anything other than that they are a group on Home.I know some “fam”‘s that act as you describe but I also know many that are more like your group than the “fam”‘s you describe yet they call themselves “fam”‘s.I agree that confusion can arise by calling all groups “fam”‘s but if I were to start calling every group on Home by the name they wished I wouldn’t be able to remember every different name as there are hundreds of these things around.It’s a utility thing for me and confers no intentional disrespect.

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By: SealWyf http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-36635 Tue, 20 Sep 2011 22:09:22 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-36635 Words are important. They carry their histories with them. Calling two things by the same name makes them seem the same. Conversely, calling two things by different names makes them seem, well, different. Or at least emphasizes the differences between them.

So it matters to us whether people call us “cult” or “fam” or “club” or “group”, or our chosen description, “collective”. Each word carries its own weight of emotional baggage, its own implications.

I wouldn’t mind calling all Home groups “groups”, but it does lose some emotional resonance, like calling all people “individuals”. What kind of group are we? We consider ourselves a “collective”. “Fam” has gotten a bad rap in Home because of the kind of people who adopt it. A “fam” implies power, guarding territory, and a strict hierarchy of rank. “Collective” implies a more egalitarian structure. I think it describes us better.

Which may sound odd coming from a Homeling General, but the rank carries no particular power other than the right to wear smexy black outfits and participate in certain confidential discussions. I can’t boss anyone around. My Subcommander in Training still teases me in public about how hard she works starching my socks.

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By: Susan http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-36599 Tue, 20 Sep 2011 20:26:26 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-36599 Always trust pie because cake is a lie…

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By: johneboy1970 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-36583 Tue, 20 Sep 2011 18:42:07 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-36583 Astoundingly good article, Seal. Bravo with a standing ovation.

I, for one, am quite happy being an ingrediant which makes up that pie :)

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By: phatso64 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-36579 Tue, 20 Sep 2011 18:13:34 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-36579 you SOOOOOOOO ROCK seal (:

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By: SealWyf http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-36572 Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:18:20 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-36572 “We are not a cult. We are a Banana Cream Pie.”

I kind of like that. :)

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-36561 Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:32:27 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-36561 That’s true Burbie,names are really interchangeable on Home when it comes to organizations.Call them all fams,clubs or Banana cream pies they all basically serve the same purposes,namely as a way for ppl to feel like they belong to something.

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By: Burbie52 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/echo-chronicles-the-uses-of-glory/#comment-36536 Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:37:35 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=14573#comment-36536 Great article Seal. It explains a lot that many may have misunderstood about the Collective. I have been asked to be a member and respectfully declined, mostly for time issues. I have a lot going on in Home already and simply don’t have the time to add more. That being said I love the Homelings and what you stand for and wish you all the best.
Does it really matter what people call a group in Home? Fam, clan, club, whatever. It doesn’t matter what you call a group, it matters what they do as an entity.
If your total purpose is to recruit others and/or cause problems for other groups then I would say that they need to find a better path. If they are together to help each other and Home as a whole, then it doesn’t matter what they call themselves, they are on the right path. Home is about the people in it, not the games or spaces for without the people they would be nothing.
This means that each of us are responsible to make Home what it is and can be by caring about it and each other. And the Homelings are on the right path.

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