Comments on: Cheaters In Home? http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/ The PlayStation Home Magazine Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:20:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.2 By: KrazyFace http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-36858 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:52:16 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-36858 I see what you’re saying annon, you mean like the business that I’ve built from the ground up thats allowed me to afford the house and car I have, and all the other little luxuries I have in life is just as much an achievement as the guy that robbed the bank to get to the same place?

Sure, I don’t mind. It dosen’t vex me at all that all the hard work and effort I’ve put into my life to get to where I am now, could have been easily obtained by breaking the law in one foul swoop. Or maybe you don’t lke the idea of using the term “law-breaking” too close to criminal eh? How about “circumventing the situation” then, yeah, that’s what you do, right?

Carry on….

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-35996 Sun, 18 Sep 2011 15:45:47 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-35996 Ok you want honesty,personally I couldn’t give a dam about acquiring more items,actually I’d like to get rid of some.I also have no idea what kind of status you think doing well on a Home game bestows on someone but I can tell you that reaching the #1 spot on a game doesn’t magically give you groupies and lackeys.Furthermore I have absolutely no desire to go to the asian Homes or any other,I like the N.A. 1 and stick to that 1.However I do thank you for showing ppl how most hardcore gamers view Home and it’s games,not worth paying for,which is why I’m still confused as to why Sony thinks many hardcore gamers will suddenly flock to Home for their gaming fix.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-35095 Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:11:12 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-35095 Yeah I hear you.IF I were a hacker I think I’d use that skill for something much bigger than jacking items off of Home.

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By: Burbie52 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-35091 Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:41:56 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-35091 Well it seems that this article has sparked quite a controversy, as I hoped it would. There are so many aspects to this that it needed to be explored. I am glad to see such passionate responses to the article, it shows that people care about the subject no matter which side of the coin they are on. Thanks for the response everyone.

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By: Anonymous http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-35066 Wed, 14 Sep 2011 09:35:09 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-35066 You know what all this whining about “hackers and cheaters” is caused by? Envy. While you struggle and get frustrated trying to get these “rewards” (especially to those up in years), someone like me; young, intelligent, and talented, can run three or four programs on my laptop and get those items in a matter of minutes. It must really grind those rusty gears.lol.

Could I play the games and win the items, yes definitely, if you think i can’t, i promise my gamerscore is higher than yours. BUT, why bother? half of these games on home are so poorly written, coded and presented that you have better luck of finding a stradivarius violin than actually executing the commands properly.

Maybe if these games didn’t suck, and resemble the kind of code work that bubbles the chimp could write, people like me wouldn’t get bored and go the easy way. Lockwood has set a good example for what is possible with home’s outdated engine, and yet sony itself and it’s media partners don’t even try to get on par with it? sad.

And then there’s the things like the WKC armor. did you know that 90% of the people you’ve seen wearing that have NOT earned it? Why make a terrible game with next to impossible trophies? why some of WKC trophies make fat princess look easy.

So in the end, to those who are so angry over people like me who do what we do because we can, i ask you this; If the feeling of achievement is all you need, then why are you bothered by our actions? oh i know, because it’s the STATUS that drives you not the feeling of achievement.

at least be honest about it, we are :)

and i love my japan home items, and so would you if you had the skill required to get them. so either learn how to use the tech you’ve paid for or stop the sniveling, it only makes us LOL.

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By: keara22hi http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-35031 Wed, 14 Sep 2011 05:19:35 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-35031 I have talked, almost daily, in CP with so many young people who do not have money to spend in Home because either their parents did not understand what they would need in Home, or (and I can sympathize with this), the parent did not have time to take them to the Mall to buy a keyboard, or because the parents simply could not afford any more expenditures at the time.

I am definitely NOT blaming ‘the kids’ for everything. Not at all. If anything, I understand their plight and wish there was some way to help them. That is why I keep asking for a Sony Gift Store where I could at least buy them a non-default, non-freebie shirt.

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By: Travis-Travis http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-35022 Wed, 14 Sep 2011 04:49:10 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-35022 lol, honest to god, why would anybody cheat and/or hack for THAT? It’s god awful looking and tacky. To be perfectly honest, I couldn’t care less if people want to cheat or hack for any item on Home or outside of Home for trophies. Personally, I get tired of just about everything I own after wearing it for 10 minutes, so I put no effort into any of that.

As for cheating for leaderboards or trophies, I also couldn’t care less. If I wanna get a trophy or a high round on a video game, I do it because I like it or for the challenge. Somebody else cheating doesn’t cheapen what I’ve done, because I can say to myself that I’ve done ____ legit, whether anybody cares to believe me or not.

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By: Travis-Travis http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-35021 Wed, 14 Sep 2011 04:45:14 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-35021 In response to what “Susan” said, a pineapple is NOT a prune, and I’m glad you used that analogy, because they’re both fruits. xD

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-34890 Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:12:03 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-34890 I have no idea what imperfections your talking about exactly or how any imperfection that makes hacking possible could become an easter egg,which would imply Sony allowing hacking to continue for the enjoyment of those capable of doing it,but w/e on to more important things.As for choosing to not believe most ppl wouldn’t be defined as hackers in Sony’s opinion,well that’s fine.Some ppl still choose to believe in the tooth fairy,but as this hacking thing is generally hidden I don’t think any assumptions can be made about it’s extent.Which is why I indicated that as 1 possibility,not even a probability.As for the asian Home I wouldn’t know as going there is a TOS violation for N/A users,so I don’t go there.However IF Jay is a frequent visitor and he sees it empty more often than not then his statement is true,from his perspective,regardless of the opinions of others about what Asia’s Home has or has not to offer users.There could be other factors in Asia that are keeping ppl away other than lack of entertaining options.

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By: HearItWow http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-34831 Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:23:56 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-34831 Keara, I love you, I really do, but enough with blaming kids for everything. There is no magic switch that turns on at a certain age and bestows maturity upon people, and the defense that “you don’t know any better” wears out at about age 10. You simultaneously denigrate the intelligence and understanding of children and give immature adults a free pass when you say “kids” are responsible for something.

The vast majority of teens who are on Home come from families that can afford a $300 piece of entertainment equipment for their children, as well as at least $30 a month in Internet connection fees to get on Home. They can scrounge some allowance together for a $10 PSN card if they want to.

Back on topic, I believe you’ll find that most of these cheaters grew up in a society where effort counted for more than achievement. They’ve been let down by an educational system that should have taught them better, so at the first sign of trouble or difficulty, they go looking for a way around doing the needed work. That is, quite frankly, insulting to anyone who’s worked to achieve an item as elusive as the Purple Jacket. There are no short cuts in life, and people who legitimately earn hard-to-get items show a good deal of persistence, patience and work ethic. I’d guess that they’re pretty successful in everyday life as well, because they have what it takes to succeed.

What does the cheater have, other than the basic ability to Google something? There’s no sense of accomplishment in cheating. The reward is not deserved, so it cannot be a sense of pride. Defending it leads to lies, and the individual is eventually exposed. It does speak volumes about a person’s character when they cheat to get something in Home, typically with the rationalization that “It’s only a game.” That mode of thinking does extend to other areas of life, because a person capable of rationalizing “victimless” cheating and lying is likely to rationalize more extreme behavior.

There’s also some idolatry involved, as the person covets the trophy, rather than the effort required to earn it. That’s a sad way to approach life.

I will make an exception for a select group of hackers, those who look at ferreting their way through code as a greater challenge than the game itself. These people are rare, and they’re the sort that would rather tear apart an engine to see what makes it go fast, then find a way to make it go faster, than actually get on a track and drive it. It’s a particular obsession that takes a great deal of intellectual skill. Unfortunately, the vast majority of hackers are just as bad as other cheaters. They read what someone else did and then go and try it themselves so that they can feel special. Hackers look down on these people just as legitimate gamers look down on cheaters.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-34755 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:58:55 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-34755 And if the “Homelings” are a pineapple,as you say,and mafia-style”fams” a prune they are both still fruit(fams) and you wouldn’t know the difference between the 2 until you bit into them,meaning until you actually joined a “fam” you wouldn’t know the real difference between that one and any other “fam”.Also,I’ve made this point in the past so anyone that actually reads these pages would see that IMO there is no difference whatsoever between the “Homelings” and any other “fam” and until I’ve heard of some distinguishing characteristic I will continue to call them a “fam” with the same respect I give all “fams”.Until a “fam” proves they deserve no respect I give respect equally to all “fams”.

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By: Susan http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-34734 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:09:22 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-34734 Keara, that is an excellent idea. I have given PSN cards before to a couple kids on my friends list., but that’s a perfect idea.It would be so much cheaper to gift an item of clothing out than an entire card

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-34732 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:07:07 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-34732 Well your reference to “Trigger Happy in a Box” attached to my response and the fact that it’s not the 1st time that particular charge has been made by the”Nation of Avatars” is kind of an indication of what you had in mind but it’s false so w/e.As for the definition of what a “fam’ really is I agree there are different standards but what is the difference really between the “Homelings” and almost any “mafia”-style “fam”?I see none,they do many of the same things,they both see their members as part of a family and they both get together for social functions.There are great differences in what their ultimate goals are but is that the only thing that seperates a “fam” from a club?If so then the only way to tell them apart would be to find out what their goals are and some groups are more secretive than others so that could be hard.Much easier to view them all as”fams” and judge their worth based on how they are run IMO.

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By: keara22hi http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-34728 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:53:15 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-34728 Drunkr has brought up a good point about the young kids in Home whose parents buy them a PS3 but no keyboard and no PSN card to use for clothes, personal spaces, costumes, game upgrades, etc. This is why I have urged Sony to allow us to buy ‘gifts’ for friends in Home. I won’t buy someone a PSN card, but I will gladly buy them a new shirt so they don’t have to look noobish. How about a Sony Gift Store in the new Hub/Mall, Sony guys? A place where we can buy these items to send to people who need them? Lockwood has the right idea but the wrong items.

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By: Susan http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-34712 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:35:49 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-34712 Drunkr. I would tend to agree with you about people looking down on another based on income.However,If I’m poor and hungry,does that give me the right to steal from a store for food?
HOME has generated alot of free items. You can dress yourself and your spaces with “no money down”.Burbie_52 wrote a great article on here about this subject.
http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/living-off-the-land-in-home/
Have I cheated to win something here on HOME? Yes. Do I admit it when asked? Yes. Have I hacked to win a item on here? No. Would I? well,an example would be a friend had a Tekken video arcade game for his personal space. As someone who collects arcade games for HOME,I wanted it.He told me it was a hacked item.Did I want it still? Yes.Did I get it? No. The issue with the Purple Jacket from Midway.If I could,would I hack to get it? No.Do I care if others do? No. I am not a “trophy hunter”.Would I feel different if I was? IDK.
Now for people who talk about hacking into your PS3 via your IP address, well, all I can say is..W/E. My husband talks about people on the 360 saying stuff like that all the time.W/E is my response.
If people want to hack into your crap they wil try and there is little we can do to stop it..Just ask Sony…lol…

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By: Susan http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-34709 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:05:45 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-34709 I do believe that the Homelings are in fact not a “FAM”. Just because you are choosing to lump those terms together does not mean most people do or know you choose to do that.Calling The Homelings a “FAM” would be like calling a pineapple a prune.They are a legitimate organisation that promotes positive behavior and harmony in the realm of what we know as HOME. but that is my opinion. As for “attacking you”, I don’t what your referencing. I merely stated a hypothetical situation is which I wanted to hear about what people thought to in regards to cheating.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-34639 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:29:58 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-34639 Furthermore,I find it quite ironic that I seem to be the only person asked to explain their “fam” references on this mag. when in point of fact there is a perm. “fam” link,to the “Homelings”,at the top of this web page.If you are truely curious as to why someone must always talk about “fams”,and not merely attacking me personally,then I’d direct your question to the editors of this magazine.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-34631 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:38:11 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-34631 Are you questioning my ethics?Because your reply seems to indicate that you don’t believe that I accomplished the #1 rank in “Trigger Happy in a Box” on my own to which I’d reply that I will be happy to challenge ANYONE,ANYTIME,ANYWHERE when it comes to that game.As for ppl always talking about “fams”,I find it odd that you think I always talk about “fams”.Many ppl on here talk about their “clubs” or “organizations”,I lump all those together and call them “fams”.I see no real difference between most clubs,organizations or “fams” so when I say “fams” it could be any 1 of those so there really is no way for me to talk about an organization other than by the “fam” name.To answer your question”where do you draw the line?” I’d say 1st get a clue as to where the line actually is BEFORE considering the moral implications.Hearing 4th hand info. that was incorrect the 1st time it was told really isn’t what I’d consider to be verification.Now if you really want a moral dilema have a friend that’s really a guy Irl but acts like a female on Home who then in order to hide that particular piece of info. starts telling lies about you behind your back that’s a real moral question, not whether or not something heard 4th hand was true or not.

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By: Susan http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-34602 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 07:33:17 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-34602 Well, Jay..hackers are already being banned as we speak. But they get replaced by others or new accounts made by the banned.Hacking has been going on long before this great place was created and will continue as long as people see it as something they must try..That is just my opinion. As for it becoming a ghost town,well that comment suggests to me that the majority of the people on Home are hackers and I choose to believe that’s not true,nor is Asia an empty place in my opinion..It has alot going for it that N/A could benefit from.Is the PSN perfect? No.And with places like HSMagazine,the voices from the Nation of Avatars shall be heard and maybe those imperfections shall become our easter eggs..or at least a slice of pie…

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By: Susan http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/09/cheaters-in-home/#comment-34580 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:41:05 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10259#comment-34580 .Personal integrity..well, what about someone who “hire out” another individual to play a game such as,lets say,Trigger Happy, and that “employer” rises to the top of the leader board and doesn’t give the props to the “hired gun”,is this a morality issue? Ethics? And if your a friend of this individual,and have this knowledge,where do you draw the line???..It seems like some people on here always try to make it about “fams” Some people who always talk about “fams” are some of the same people whose ethics and morality that should be in question…’

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