Comments on: So Now Then. Home Improvement. http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/ The PlayStation Home Magazine Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:20:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.2 By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-31384 Tue, 30 Aug 2011 07:18:39 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-31384 Do you mean “The Modern Paradox” by George Carlin?

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By: Jayson619 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-31266 Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:39:32 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-31266 I hope they improved the camera this time round! didn’t Norse said something about ‘panning’ in one of his posts?

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-30961 Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:27:31 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-30961 Gideon I’ve never bought Home content that stopped me from buying a disc-based game because I buy very few games from Home,I think I actually only own 6 or 7 but they have no disc-based equals BUT when EA Poker was on Home for free I was quite content to play it and not buy any disc-based poker game.In that case of competition Home won and poker game developers lost.The main reason I haven’t bought any Home content that stopped me from buying a disc-based game is because for the most part Home games aren’t like disc-based games.If that remains the same or if they make similiar but higher quality games then they will get my cash BUT if they make a similiar game to a disc-based game I’d probably go with whichever 1 was the better deal,from my standpoint.This is unintended competition,which isn’t necessarily a bad thing but where did Home have any competition as it is now?It seems to me,with what little info. I’ve heard,that Sony is either trying to lure more “hardcore” gamers to Home or trying to get more cash from the base it already has.If it’s the former then my question is why would someone who loves their disc games all of a sudden decide to play games on Home as much or as often as they were playing disc-based games IF the quality of the games is sub-par?If it’s the latter then I’d say that there are many other things that Home users wanted other than games that they would have spent bigger bucks on.I guess we just budget differently because I just set aside a certain amount each month and use that amount for all my gaming purchases including Home purchases.Now if Home becomes all about gaming but turns out 2nd rate games I believe most “hardcore” gamers will see it as something to be avoided rather than attracted to it.But as I said waaaaay back when this discussion 1st started,the fact that Jack Buser said there were many things coming combined with the fact that I have no idea what these new games or Home spaces will look like I’m reserving judgement.I just don’t understand putting all of Homes eggs in 1 basket IF that is in fact what they are doing,because so far it seems that way.

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By: Gideon http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-30943 Sat, 27 Aug 2011 17:20:26 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-30943 So youre saying that there have been times you’ve purchased Home items and games that have prevented you from purchasing Disk-Based games? Your gaming budget is this pot of money that you draw from no matter what youre buying, if its game related, it takes from your game budget. Most people I know have an idea of how much they want to spend on disk games and how much on home, independantly of one antoher. One does not effect or influence the other in anyway.

I really dont think I’ll ever say “Damn I wanted to buy The Last Guardian but I just bought that outfit in home. Oh well. sucks to be me.”

And this is with just $$. You say your game-time budget isnt effected by the internet? I don’t know about you but before the internet (yes. I remember before the internet) I spent quite a bit more time playing games… of course I didnt have a job or bills then either, but the point is the same. Without Netflix, Home, HSM, Hulu or any of the silly things I fill my time with I would play a LOT more games.

I don’t have more info on what’s going to happen with The Hub but I suspect the “quests” to be short little things that take no time to complete. Just something to get you coming on Home each day.

Quest: Play this new minigame in this space. 10 mintues. done.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-30918 Sat, 27 Aug 2011 15:27:16 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-30918 That’s funny Terra because I’m quite able to scroll up or down while the comment reply box is open and see w/e isn’t right behind it making it very easy to see just about any part of this convo. I need to,no need to memorize.Further,it was convenient for your Wal-mart reference/jk? to leave off the “could have been”.But w/e,your still missing the point of that comment.The point isn’t whether or not Sony actually takes anything out of the store.The point is the cash you spent on your return to Home might be too late to make a difference to the overall perception,by those in charge,of w/e items you decided to buy’s overall demand.Meaning that IF it’s true that new item’s demand is judged by it’s sales in the 1st 2 or 3 months your purchase of it 7 months down the road did little to convince Sony that there was real demand for that item or to encourage them to make similiar items.Sure they still got the cash but it was little help to their market research.If you need me to clarify anything else I may have said just let me know,I’d rather spend 3 days or more explaining it than to have someone misinterpret it.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-30864 Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:38:12 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-30864 Except those things Gideon aren’t games and therefore my budget for games,in both time and cash, isn’t as affected as by those things as much.I understand that you feel these types of games won’t be greatly affected by each other but I’m still not sure how anyone can come to that determination yet,unless of course you happen to have more info. than your letting on.If so care to share?lol.

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By: Gideon http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-30861 Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:17:33 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-30861 I think the social aspects which are getting a boost are the community event thing. That’s about it. I’m curious how much of their tight lipness is them just not having more info. MOST of the info we (Home users) would consider important the general public would be confused by. They would be erroneous details that would just bog down the announcement.

NOW. that being said. I really think Sony should have announced this THROUGH Home first. Made a video like the GDC 2007 video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZY2vwlh5-g) and put it in the theater.

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By: Gideon http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-30860 Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:12:00 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-30860 LOL. epic. just epic. THIS is the kind of community interaction Home needs. People reaching out and pulling others in.

Sorry Keara. I dont use facebook…. Now… if Home used facebook I might just consider it. heheh

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By: Gideon http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-30858 Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:08:57 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-30858 WOO! Looks like I missed some discussion. I think this whole arguement boils down to “what is competition” If the argument that competition is anything that diverts attention/money from something than you could argue that a show I recently watched on Hulu (The Booth at the End. See if it you havent!)is competition that has prevented me from buying Deus Ex. I haven’t bought that game because I havent finished other games and I havent finished other games because Ive been busy with other things. Heck even HSM is competition for disk based games using this logic.

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By: Terra_Cide http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-30834 Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:52:04 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-30834 It wasn’t a matter of convenience -- you cannot copy/paste text, as HSM’s code prevents that in order to protect from plagiarism. So I had to hand-type what you said from memory.

And I still stand by my statement that what you’re referring to is an extreme case and not the norm.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-30832 Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:47:12 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-30832 The key words in my statement that you refer to were “could have been” which you conveniently left off.

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By: Terra_Cide http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-30805 Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:53:07 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-30805 Why does anyone play a Zynga game when there are tons more better quality games to be played elsewhere? Answer that, and you may find the answer to your question about why gamers would come to Home for games.

As to why I don’t feel they’ll compete is that I have no intention of buying the majority of the disk games out there (I’m picky, and I don’t care for FPS), so it’s money they aren’t going to see anyways. And I’m sure I’m not the only one.

There are people out there who own PS3s, who let them collect dust, waiting for the next title they do want to play to come out, never realizing that there is an alternative to not gaming at all in the interim -- and it’s Home. Now should they stumble upon Home (since, from what I’ve read, that seems to be the common story of how people come to Home), who’s to say they they’ll open their wallets to it -- but they’ll never spend any money there if they never know it exists. Those are the people I’m thinking they’re trying to court, not the person who spends every night of their life logged into the lobby at COD.

“Many items deemed failures and pulled from the stores” -- seriously? Again, that is more of an extreme, outside the mean norm (as is being away for seven months, I might add) instead of what happens regularly. Home isn’t Wal-Mart. As for missing my money, they could easily have been missing it for that whole time -- it is possible to go long stretches of time not purchasing items in Home. And for my math -- I wasn’t aware I was doing any, hence why I added “or year.”

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-30797 Sat, 27 Aug 2011 02:43:57 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-30797 So it’s not “TRUE” competition if it’s from developers but it is “TRUE” competition if it’s from Microsoft,even if the end result is the same:lost sales?I don’t think corporate will care where the missing cash goes,if it doesn’t reach them it’s still a problem.Look,I haven’t even said that this WILL happen,all I’ve done is pointed out that this is a very real possibility.All I’ve heard in response is that there is no way for competition to exist between a company and it’s sub-contractors,which is what developers kind of are to Sony,and I haven’t heard 1 good reason as to why that would be.Further your math is off,if you were off the PSN for 7 months they most certainly missed your cash for 1 quarter,actually just over 2 quarters but as I doubt you left at the start of the fiscal quarter your departure could have affected the bottom line of up to 3 quarters.You may have spent cash when you got back but during the time you were gone many items could have been deemed failures and pulled from the stores.Time doesn’t stand still while everyone goes and plays FF XIII or BLK-OPS.But those are side points:the main point is why would gamers come to Home for games when there are so many top-quality games on disc?Once we see these Home games we may know why,if they’re great games this should do well at least until the newness factor wears off.

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By: Terra_Cide http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-30770 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:35:22 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-30770 And as I said, if it were TRUE competition, I would have never returned to Home. Just because they lost my money in that time period, doesn’t mean they lost my money forever.

Let’s put it this way -- I could have stayed in Home that whole time instead of playing Final Fantasy, and not bought a single thing (yeah, it happens). Conversely when I returned to Home, I could have easily gone through the back catalog of items for sale and bought them (which in fact I did, when I came back to the PSN after being away for seven months, due to being without a PS3 altogether). They may have lost that money in that fiscal month, but not necessarily that fiscal quarter or year.

True competition would have me obtaining an xBox instead of a PS3.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-30753 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:33:45 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-30753 To further make my point,when you left Home to go play Final Fantasy XIII you weren’t buying items on Home,therefore for the time you were gone from Home you were lost to competition from a disc-based game.As you did,many ppl that left to play a disc-based game came back to Home but it’s usually a couple months or so before they came back.I do find it ironic that just a day or 2 after issue 7 came out with what some ppl might consider a controversial feature story we are all talking about something that hasn’t even happened yet simply because some ppl said they wanted more info. before making a decision or voiced potential concerns.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-30749 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:14:15 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-30749 It’s a bad thing from Sony’s point of view when that many ppl who usually use Home are no longer using it.They can’t buy stuff if they aren’t on Home.When I say “fams” I’m not just talking about the mafia-style “fams” but also some that were like the Homelings,peaceful creative types.I know some ppl think all “fams” are thuggish John Gotti wannabes but that is not the case.There are many creative “fams” that have a positive influence in Home but even if there weren’t and all “fams” were thuggish brutes it would still mean lost revenue from Sony’s point of view.Now if Home wants to be a gaming platform for the most part it will have to compete with the popular disc-based games for gamers attention which could make repeats of the BLK-OPS exodus more likely.Home had no real competition as a virtual society but will have many competitors from game developers.I know Gideon,and probably others,think no competition will occur at all and I hope he’s right but from what I’ve seen Home has already been affected by unintended disc-based competition.Lost revenue,from whatever source “fam” or non-“fam”,can’t be a good thing for Home.

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By: Terra_Cide http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-30727 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:30:54 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-30727

when Call of Duty:Blk-Ops 1st came out last year more “fams” went out of business from lack of interest than went out of business from the PSN outage.

…And that’s a bad thing, how? (Sorry, not really a fan of “fams” from what I’ve learned of them)

When Final Fantasy XIII came out, I left Home, too. In my mind, I was only spending time in Home while waiting for that game to come out anyways. Did I leave forever? Nope. So where’s the competition? If it was true competition, I’d stay with one and never return to the other.

What you’re talking about, from my understanding, are extreme cases, and yes, they will happen. But I highly doubt they will be the majority norm.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-30676 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:11:08 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-30676 Further I wouldn’t even call this a debate.This is just a discussion about some info.A debate,IMO, is when 2 or more ideas are seriously discussed in order to convince ppl that haven’t made up their minds yet about the correctness of the debated ideas.Make no mistake about it,there’s no debate here the deciding has been done.We’re just hoping to find out what that decision is and how,if at all,it will affect us.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-30674 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 12:56:38 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-30674 Intent doesn’t need to be present,competition can arise with or without intent.Ex. when Call of Duty:Blk-Ops 1st came out last year more “fams” went out of business from lack of interest than went out of business from the PSN outage.I doubt Treyarch intended to “borrow” all these Home users but it happened anyways.Of course many of those came back once the newness of BLK-OPS wore off but the damage to the community was done.

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By: Terra_Cide http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/08/so-now-then-home-improvement/#comment-30673 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 12:51:06 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=13554#comment-30673

“I really don’t see bench walking, saucer pop or chainswing as being cornerstones of the PlayStation Home community.”

That almost made me spit my coffee out from laughing.

Now that said, if you had added the word “poker” to your statement, you’d have all and sundry down your throat. But it is something I would add, simply because in my corner of the community, the rise and loss of the poker rooms was a mere blip on the radar screen, and those who clamor for their return remind me more of a (very) vocal minority than a majority.

Different courses for different horses -- and now there’ll just be more of them. And those who feel displaced will find other thing to do and different places to haunt.

The modern learning paradox states that the things we fear most as adults -- learning, changing and accepting uncertainty -- are what create security today. And Home is about to go through such change.

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