Comments on: Home Security – The Golden Squad http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/ The PlayStation Home Magazine Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:20:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.2 By: Jayson619 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-36750 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:00:38 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-36750 Your reply’s too long dude….

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By: WINCHESTER__88 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-34904 Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:34:25 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-34904 I AM NOT HERE TO GET ANYONE IN TROUBLE OR REPORT PEOPLE ON HOME FOR ANY REASON YES WE DO HAVE THE SECURITY OUTFITS BUT WE DON’T AT LIKE MOD’S ON HOME WE FOLLOW THE TOS (TERMS OF SERVICE) OF SONY NETWORK AND PLAYSTATION HOME I HAVE WORK WITH PS TALENT AT A EVENT ONE TIME THE RED CARPET EVENT WE DID HELP OUT THERE LIKE SECURITY WITH GLASSWALLS THE REASON WE DID THAT WAS SO OTHER MEMBERS OF PLAYSTATION HOME CAN GET THERE PIC WITH GLASSWALLS AND IT MADE HIM FEEL BETTER HAS WILL BUT ANYWAY’S WE DON’T JUST REPORT PEOPLE FOR EVERY LITTLE THING WE MAINLY TRY TO HELP OTHERS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING OR JUST WANT TO TALK I HAVE SEEN OTHER MEMBERS THAT PUT ON THE FORMS I KNOW WHAT THERE TALKING ABOUT I HAVE SEEM THEM MYSELF AND HAVE REPORTED THEM FOR IMPERSONATING AN OFFICIAL THEY HAVE ACTED LIKE MOD’S ON HOME GOLDEN SQUAD DOES NOT IMPERSONATE AND WE NEVER SAY WE WORK FOR SONY NETWORK A MOD ON HOME WE ARE FRIENDLY PEOPLE ON HOME THAT CARE ABOUT HOME I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KEEP THIS IN MIND THERE YOUNG KIDS ON PLAYSTATION HOME THEY DON’T WANT BE RUDE ON OR HAVE A PERV HIT ON THEM AND ALSO GUYS I KNOW THE ONES THAT ACT LIKE A SO CALL A TROLL OR I CALL A PERV YOU DON’T GO AROUND IN REAL LIFE HITTING ON GIRLS AND ALSO GUY HOME WASN’T MADE FOR YOU ACT LIKE A PERV MEMBERS ON SHOULD RESPECT OTHERS ON HOME WE ALL COME HERE TO HAVE A GOOD TIME WE SHOULDN’T BE GOING AROUND BEHIND PEOPLES BACK SAYING THIS SAYING THAT OR START THIS SO CALL MAFIA WARS UP NO ONE OWNS ANYTHING ON PLAYSTATION HOME MAKES NO SENSE OF FIGHTING ON HOME OR CAUSING PROBLEMS WITH EACH OTHER SOME OF YOU WILL NOT SEE THIS BUT THAT’S HOW I SEE IT ON HOME AND

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By: Jayson619 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-31471 Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:01:19 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-31471 Maybe one of the GS members can come over to Asia for observations and studies on how we ‘click’ in PlayStation Home there? The way this debate is going I see no end to it.

I honour Winchester_88 for his dedication for his dedication (much higher than mine I dare say) but sometimes, things that some may see as good the remaining will not.

Yes I do agree at some point SONY should take charge but in the end IT’S EVERYONE’S RESPONSIBILITY to keep PlayStation Home lively and peaceful.

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By: fun-gi http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-28843 Wed, 17 Aug 2011 21:25:30 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-28843 While I admire the apparent good intentions of a vigilante gang to moderate Home, it’s just a bad idea. If you don’t get a paycheque from SONY to tell me or others what you feel is appropriate behaviour on HOME, then don’t expect me to listen or take you seriously. As far as I’m concerned, you’re just another member with an opinion.

Don’t get me wrong, I hate Trolls just as much as the next person…. but it’s SONY’s job to monitor Home and they are clearly failing to do so. I’ve thought about getting some like minded people who hate trolls, and buying the Orc (or is it Ogre?) costumes to go around in small bands and call ourselves the Troll Hunters, just to deal with the ones we find and put them in their place… but to be honest I’d rather spend my time with friends having a different kind of fun.

The problem (as stated), is that this group is made up of non-payed humans, and humans make mistakes and bad judgement calls all the time. What would happen if one of these small bands of merry men/women happend upon me while I’m squarely putting a rampant Troll in his place, and percieve ME as the Troll instead? I can tell you what would happen and you all know the answer already. If I were wearing their uniform it would be okay, but if not… then I run the risk of being reported and banned for defending myself or others.

Again, a noble idea… but still a bad one.

As to the point of security… I find this more laughable than anything I guess. The notion that people flock to any celebrity, let alone a virtual one baffles me. Would it not have been easier for this Glasswalls person to just come on with an alternate account or address people via live feed? Oh… no… that’s right I forgot. The live feeds on Home are mostly useless and do nothing but freeze. Nevermind then. XD

But seriously, internet and gaming fame is ridiculous. I am friends with actual celebrities irl, and I can assure you they are just people like you and me who eat and poop the same way we do. No offense to this glasswalls person (whomever that is), but a photo op with someone’s avatar is probably the stupidest thing I’ve heard of on Home yet. And to have “private security” for said event sounds even dumber. Is this person recieving a Nobel Peace Prize… am I’m missing something here?

Totally confuzzled. O.o

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-26618 Fri, 05 Aug 2011 11:33:01 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-26618 I fully agree that with the proper tools this group and indeed this discussion would be needless but let’s talk about some potentially “Dicey” situations.Let’s say that in CP there is a rather intense discussion about something between 2 ppl,topic is kinda irrelevent,where neither side has attempted to harm the other verbally only made points in their views favor.Then 1 side or the other goes to these guys and claims they are the victim of harrassment and bystanders who have seen what has gone on misinterpret things and “confirm” the accusation.Then the party that stands accussed would have few if any options to prove his innocence.I personally have a hard time determining someones guilt or innocence based solely on the words of other ppl,which is 1 good thing about Sony’s current system it investigates based on other ppl’s word but doesn’t act unless there is really something to it.Now if this group,or others like it,judged the person guilty in the example not only would they be unable to prove themselves wronged but would then be open to w/e measures these groups might see fit to deal out.I’m not saying these guys in particular would blacklist or commit retaliatory harrassment but others might.I think how 1 views groups like these is kind of based on each individuals perception of what their fellow man/woman would do if left unchecked when put in a position or percieved position of power.I’ve had the fortune,or misfortune depending on point of view,to see how many ppl on Home act when they think they are now in charge.It can be quite mind-boggling and at times downright frightening once someone that has little power,real or perceived,in their real lives suddenly finds some power on Home,real or perceived.Also I’d have a problem if they were interjecting themselves as protectors if they were unasked by anyone to do so,again idk if that applies here but am talking about generalities.I’m all for friends looking out for friends but when help is unasked for it can cause more damage than the initial problem.Here’s an example where they could cause more harm than good.Don’t ask me to explain why this happens because I don’t understand this very well but there are a small % of ppl on Home that actually LIKE being told what to do and when to do it.If this group,or 1 like it,witnessed someone being dominated in this way they might think it harrassing and try to stop it.This could quickly lead to a large scale fight or worst case scenario a large-scale “fam” war.Applying the same set of values and beliefs to everyone is seldom a good idea,especially in a place like Home that has ppl from all over the world and from many different backgrounds on it.For Sony to make some ground rules is different in that they are the owners of this thing,but when individuals try to force their ideas of morality on others they shouldn’t be too surprised at a negative re-action.I’m not saying they shouldn’t help anyone,but they should be sure that 1st the help is indeed wanted and 2nd that the help offered doesn’t cause more problems than they were intending to stop.Having said all that I should point out that many “fams” claim to be doing the same kind of thing,namely protecting those that can’t help themselves.I say claim because many “fams” just use that as a recruiting angle and really care nothing about the person,but there are a few that actually do take care of their own when harrassed.

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By: HearItWow http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-26585 Fri, 05 Aug 2011 04:58:46 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-26585 One again, Aeternitas has given a very eloquent voice to many of my thoughts on a topic. Yes, the Golden Squad does exist in a grey area and, yes, the fear of corruption and ego getting in the way of a noble cause has tremendous precedent.

However, having spent some time with The Golden Squad and talking to Winchester_88, I can say that this group operates with the highest intentions possible, and polices its own members far more aggressively than it polices Central Plaza. They are a group of level-headed, well-intentioned individuals who take the responsibility of helping Home’s users and helping the victims of harassers very seriously.

They’re not wandering about Home looking for trouble; much of the time, they’re out interacting with the community, and stepping in when they see bad behavior, something that I and others have suggested time and again as a way to make Home more welcoming to all.

Where this gets dicey is within the club itself, with its rigid fam structure and uniforms. Wouldn’t a group of random users, or just a group of friends, be equally effective at deterring trolls? The answer, of course, is yes, but how many members of the community will stick up for a stranger?

If we can set aside the fears of what groups like this can become, and look at them for what they are, we’re left with a group of caring, concerned people who will look out for anyone in need. That’s an example we can all learn from.

Ideally, a group like this wouldn’t be necessary, ether because we have the tools to deal with harassers on our own or because the community steps in and fills the void. Until that happens, it’s going to fall on groups of users to try and help in any way that they can. With an appropriate amount of caution, we should be thankful that a group like this is willing to take the time to protect others.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-25415 Fri, 29 Jul 2011 20:44:03 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-25415 Thanks for clarifying that for us.

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By: Terra_Cide http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-25220 Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:48:11 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-25220 Fake identification in this particular instance means someone whose PSN ID is known to the Administrative staff of HSM, but is not posting under it. Whether this particular individual (Lady1433, who had also posted under the ID of “Hello”) is the person in question, we aren’t sure of at this time.

Normally, this isn’t an issue, although we presume people are more apt to post using their PSN ID to make themselves recognizable. However, with all the controversy and conflict that has been stirred up, and regardless of who is really who, HSM is not going to be either side’s soapbox.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-25217 Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:55:57 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-25217 I see,I was unsure.Thanks for clearing that up,then it does seem then that there may be TOS violations going on here.Not that I consider myself the TOS police,I won’t be calling for Sony to investigate but it’s nice to know how seriously or not seriously I should be taking them.

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By: Aeternitas33 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-25211 Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:23:34 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-25211 Cthulu93, you’re making an unwarranted assumption I believe. The Golden Squad has been asked to attend certain Home events by Director on Duty. From my observation, they function more as “props” during these events than anything else. GW apparently attended one of these events, and as the Golden Squad was present, he went along with their role playing. I think it’s a gross exaggeration to say that SCEA officials use the Golden Squad for security.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-25199 Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:33:32 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-25199 I’m confused as to what exactly a “fake identification” means exactly.I’ve noticed other ppl posting comments on here that use Id’s other than their PsHome ID before and didn’t think there was any problems with that,if that’s what you mean then this is a more widespread problem than you may realize.If you mean they are using 2 different Id’s on this magazine I can see how that would be a problem,but I was still unaware that it was frowned on by management.Maybe I didn’t read something that explains the official view on this,if so could some1 please tell me where it’s written so I can read it,please?If what Lady1433 says is true,and I’m in no way claiming it is or isn’t,then you can see why there is much confusion here,on the 1 hand you have a Sony CS person saying they are violating the TOS on the other hand you have a MOD,who would be in a position to know,using their services.As is the case with a few other topics Sony ought to make their position a little clearer,it would help prevent some confusion.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-24844 Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:03:52 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-24844 *held

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-24843 Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:02:19 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-24843 “Is enforcement of the TOS a valid basis for the formation of a Home club?”-Aeternitas33.It’s probabaly as valid as any other reason to start a Home club,some are started for very odd or seemingly unrealistic goals.If they aren’t being given official or semi-official help in their efforts then they should be taken as seriously as any other “fam” on Home.If they are getting official or semi-official support then they should be watched very carefully so that they work within any boundries Sony sets for them.As for the term “fam”,even many mafia-style groups will at least pay lip-service to the term because it indicates that all members will take care of each other as a real life family would.Problem is that even irl some families are totally dysfunctional and occasionally you have an egomaniac,a “power tripper”,or a straight out lunatic running them,I understand the reasons many ppl view “fams” with an evil eye and lump them all together but they really need to be judged seperately and only be help accountable for their own TOS or moral infractions.I also have some trouble understanding the”mini-modding” mentality,if they think Sony needs help with moderating then they should feel free to apply to Sony for the job,not self-appoint themselves the sole arbiters of the actions of others.Seems to me the ppl most likely to form fast and unwavering judgements are the types of ppl that engage in this sort of self-determined hall monitor behavior.Exactly the ppl least qualified for the position imo.If an infraction truely occurred then report it,no need to quote reams of unrelated TOS at everyone.

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By: Lady1433 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-24793 Wed, 27 Jul 2011 05:59:21 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-24793 According to the customer service person I spoke to if these people tell anyone to do anything about how they are behaving then they ARE INFACT MINI MODDING and should be reported for impersonating an official. Don’t believe me? Fine. Call Sony and ask them.

(NorseNote: I’m allowing this comment for the moment. There’s evidently a former GS member who’s been trying to post comments under fake identifications in this discussion thread, and this particular poster has attempted to leave comments under two different IDs. Whether the two events are linked or not is still being examined. While I have no problem with discussing vigilantism in Home, I will not allow HSM to become a public argument between current and former GS members. Keep it civil or take it elsewhere.)

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By: Halday http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-24699 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:47:56 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-24699 Wow, hot topic.
As someone who has been cyber assaulted, I find it hard to believe that no one has simply said; “THANK YOU”.
As someone with a bit of a law enforcement background, I’m sure the Golden Squad is aware that what they do and how they do it in any given situation is subject to criticism forever. If not, they’ll be an awakening.
All the best, GS. Proceed cautiously, and with integrity.

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By: DB_tha_king17 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-24658 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:57:26 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-24658 I am a GS member and i would like to say we dont do what we do for people to complain about it. We actualy try to make a difference. You all can have your reasons for not likeing what we do and thats fine but we are not asking you to like it we do what we do to help people and mods have no problem with that… I wana see change in home and i hope everyone else do too but either way we gone keep trying to make a differece weather most people are behind us or not…

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By: Travis-Travis http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-24597 Tue, 26 Jul 2011 01:36:03 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-24597 The troll-potential with this is outstanding.

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By: Aeternitas33 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-24514 Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:33:26 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-24514 There are a number of potential issues here, I’m simply going to elaborate on one of them as it’s something that Hello mentioned above. On forums, “mini-modding” refers to a poster who consistently posts in order to instruct other posters as to the forums rules. That type of habitual behavior is referred to as “mini-modding” because a poster is assuming the responsibilities of a moderator.

To apply that principle to Home, if someone consistently goes into Home in order to instruct other Home users as to the rules of behavior, or to seek out violations of the TOS, I would assume that that is also attempting to assume the responsibilities of a moderator. That has been my position from the beginning.

The fundamental question which I have is this: “Is enforcement of the TOS a valid basis for the formation of a Home club? Or is the assumption of such a role, in and of itself, a violation of the TOS?”

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By: Aeternitas33 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-24507 Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:50:09 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-24507 Burbie, thinking and knowing are two different things. Without having further information, I would hesitate to say unequivocally that there are no violations of the TOS occurring. Some of the language I’ve heard used to describe this group leaves me feeling very uncomfortable, particularly given the people from whom it’s coming. At this point in time, I’m assuming that they’re speaking informally, without full awareness of the implications of what they’re saying. In my opinion this group exists within a nebulous area, as I suspect no one in Sony had the foresight to imagine that such a group might ever form. As for GW, someone in his position probably has to take into consideration a number of factors, the TOS merely being one of them. If GW has made any public statement with regards to this group, I’m not aware of it. I would certainly appreciate such a statement, as in my opinion this group falls between the cracks, so to speak, and it would be helpful to know the boundaries when a group forms for the express purpose of enforcing the TOS in Home.

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By: Burbie52 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/07/home-security-the-golden-squad/#comment-24485 Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:50:49 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=10746#comment-24485 As far as I know the Golden Squad is breaking no rules. Sony is well aware of their activities as they have been in contact with GlassWalls a few times and he is one of the head Mods on Home. If he sees no harm it them I think Sony feels the same about it as well. If anyone would know all of the TOS backwards and forwards it would be Glass.

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