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By: Farewell to Folding | HomeStation Magazine

Farewell to Folding | HomeStation Magazine — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 03:11:04 +0000

[…] I encouraged them to participate. The results of that project are described in the HSM article “Homelings Folding”. It’s a dramatic story, filled with pride and betrayal, courage and eventual triumph. That […]

By: Eighthinch

Eighthinch — Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:34:04 +0000

The collective is like the members. . .it is one of the many which makes it one. . .

By: SealWyf

SealWyf — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:52:16 +0000

Today at about 9 AM Eastern time, Team Homelings passed our renamed, hijacked team, “Hostile~Group~Pwns~U”. We did it in 64 days — eight months worth of folding surpassed in a little over two. And our current team is strong, active and enthusiastic. Who knows how high we can go?

I want to thank all our friends, those in and outside of the Collective, for making this moment possible. Today I am very proud to be a Homeling.

By: cthulu93

cthulu93 — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 22:53:45 +0000

YW and yes dead or dying ideas can survive and flourish as long as 1 motivated person remembers them.Sometimes they pop up in unexpected places or from ppl that you wouldn’t expect to remember them.Good luck with your efforts in the pursuit of this idea.

By: sealwyf

sealwyf — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 14:30:26 +0000

I totally agree that Imagine!, or a similar organization, deserves to survive. I personally believe that dreams are never wasted. They may seem to wither and die, but the idea beneath them survives and pops up elsewhere, like an underground stream forming a spring. User-generated entertainment in Home is one of my long-term dreams. I’ll keep looking for ways to make that happen. Thank you for your support.

By: cthulu93

cthulu93 — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 13:23:26 +0000

It is too bad,I remember it as a good start in the direction of keeping ppl entertained by unconventional means.Kind of ground-breaking actually.I think the point I was trying to make is getting lost so I’ll try to explain better.I was pointing out that getting involved with talks with another group that there are “problems” with can be a useful delaying tactic,it would also be in keeping with the non-aggression stance of the Homelings.So I was kind of congratulating the collective for thinking “out of the box” by using that tactic for that purpose.Now because it wasn’t a planned thing and never materialized anyways I’ll take back that congrat but extend another.Congrats on re-doubling your efforts in the new folding group and making it bigger than it was before.It really is a shame about Imagine! I thought it was a great idea,maybe you can make that arise from the ashes as well?I think the pursuit of free,unpackaged fun has great appeal for many ppl.It also gave ppl an outlet for their creative energies,in a positive way.

By: sealwyf

sealwyf — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:35:25 +0000

It is not unrelated, cthulu. Thanks for noticing.

I should note that the “negotiations” I mentioned never included the option of any sort of payment, physical or behavioral, in exchange for the folding group. And, indeed, the negotiations never actually happened. I mentioned they were “pending”, as in, expected or proposed. One of the Hostiles made comment about returning the group to one of our Generals, but the offer was not repeated.

We don’t mind. Our new folding group is making stunning progress. We expect to pass the old group by the end of August — about 70 days to duplicate the efforts of nearly 250. The new group is larger than the old group ever was, and new folders join us every week. The irony is that this strength and enthusiasm come directly from having been attacked.

It’s too bad about Imagine!, though. I’m glad someone remembers it.

By: cthulu93

cthulu93 — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 05:35:48 +0000

I have no doubt she knows more about what’s going on,nowhere did I claim superior knowledge of the situation,as a matter of fact I claimed I had hardly any knowledge of the situation other than to know some ppl involved from each side and what I’ve read here.I was merely pointing out that they themselves proved my point,about there being non-harrassing ways to do something in this kind of situation,IF the talks were a diversion.

By: Terra_Cide

Terra_Cide — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 00:54:07 +0000

Considering you are talking with one of the Generals in the Homeling Collective, she probably knows more about what is going on.

By: cthulu93

cthulu93 — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 00:24:49 +0000

As long as I’m at this article already I’d like to ask if this situation between the “hostiles” and the Homelings is the reason I haven’t seen many Imagine,the group,activities lately?

By: cthulu93

cthulu93 — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 00:13:06 +0000

Also I should point out that Seal said in her article that negotiations were ongoing to bring the folding team back yet here you say there was never any intention to give into the demands.If both statements are true and accurate then I might infer that the collective was engaged in talks with the “hostiles” for reasons other than making a deal,could be a few different reasons for that none of which contradict what I’m about to say.Engaging in talks that will have no hope of creating a solution is 1 example of something that can be done to an opposing “fam” that prevents them from victory yet is not harrassing.Keeping an adversary “tied-up” can be a very useful tactic,and if the other side thinks a deal will soon be in the works they will be less inclined to go on the offensive.Like I said,there are alot of ways to deal with a situation like this without harrassing anyone.

By: cthulu93

cthulu93 — Sat, 06 Aug 2011 23:59:51 +0000

*non-aggression

By: cthulu93

cthulu93 — Sat, 06 Aug 2011 23:58:17 +0000

1st you assume the anti-homeling campaign is over,I’ve seen no indication that has occurred.2nd you seem to equate doing anything with harrassment,this does not need to be the case.There are things that can be done that don’t involve harrassment in these situations.3rd I think you’ve done a smart thing by making it known that attempted extortion won’t work against the collective.4th by saying the things I said above about Seal’s article I didn’t mean to imply that I thought she did a bad job writing it,quite the contrary,what I was trying to make clear is this:there are some ppl that can’t be reasoned with,when you find yourself dealing with such ppl non-aggression isn’t always the best answer.I’m not saying the”hostiles”are such ppl,but if they are then the collective would be at a disadvantage.Like I said before,I know few if any details about this whole situation I’m speaking in generalities here.If a real world example is needed to prove what I’m saying then think about how well appeasement worked against Hitler.That’s only 1 of many examples that could be used to show that doing nothing or non-aggression doesn’t always work,especially when dealing with hate-filled madmen bent on revenge.Again I’m not saying non-aggresion is right or wrong,I’m only saying that it will not lead to success in every instance,as is the same of any policy.

By: kozfear

kozfear — Sat, 06 Aug 2011 19:41:51 +0000

Cthulu--Homelings never had any intention of giving into the “demands” of these people, as their desires were as anti-Homeling as their actions. I must also beg to differ that the Homeling policy of non-aggression puts the group at any disadvantage. In order to succeed in harassing others, those others must be harassed. You cannot harass those who cannot read your harassment, and indeed I think this policy is part of what lead to the dissolution of the anti-Homeling campaign, along with the realization of some that real-world threats of violence and other excessive behavior was beyond what they intended. But, that is another story…

Excellent work, Seal.

By: cthulu93

cthulu93 — Sat, 06 Aug 2011 18:53:29 +0000

I’m not too sure that 2 willing participants are needed for a state of war to exist,but that’s another topic.The main thing here,it seems to me anyways,is this:it APPEARS that the homelings are going to be the targets of the “hostiles”,the question before the collective,or it’s leaders,is how they will be handling this.If they do absolutely nothing then they will be basically hoping the “hostiles” are incompetent strategists and that the “hostiles” will fail on their own.It’s certainly 1 valid strategy,but pins all hope on the oppositions abilities,or lack thereof.There are many different strategies that could be employed by either side,not all of which would be considered “aggressive”.The problem with allowing your opposition even a hollow victory is this,IMO,there’s an old saying that goes like this:”To the victor goes the spoils.” meaning if you allow your opposition to have victory you allow them to have w/e it is they want,unless there’s some kind of negotiated settlement.Idk the real reasons behind this disagreement but if the points in contention are vital to the collectives future,and I’m not sure that they are,they would be surrendering their existence without so much as a cross word.I’m not trying to make those that will not fight to fight here,I really am neutral,I was just trying to prepare the collective for what APPEARS to be coming their way,those youtube video’s made it clear that the “hostiles” already have ppl on the inside of the collective.Btw I’m not so sure Seal’s article shows they are on the right path,in her own article she seems to indicate that the collective might be willing to pay a price to get this folding thing back.This might accomplish the short-term goal of getting it back but sends a message that the collective would rather pay,doesn’t matter what they pay in this case,than fight.This may be totally in keeping with their ideals but it also signals every wanna-be Viking or Attila the Hun that the collective is open for business.Another words,once they start paying to avoid conflicts there will be no end to the “requests” that others will be making.I guess it’s true that if 1 side ignores the other the war will end,eventually,but it might not end in a way that is liked by the 1’s that did the ignoring.

By: HearItWow

HearItWow — Sat, 06 Aug 2011 17:17:03 +0000

War can only exist as long as two parties are willing to participate. If one reacts by simply ignoring the provocations of the other, not only will the war end, but the aggressor will have revealed their true nature, earning a most hollow victory at best.

I trust the Homelings to do as they always have, to remain true to themselves and their ideals in this, and to prove themselves the better people. Seal’s article shows that they’re on the right path.

By: DaMiGiSan

DaMiGiSan — Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:04:23 +0000

Awed & speechless, Great article Seal.

By: cthulu93

cthulu93 — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:47:00 +0000

I decided to go on youtube to see more about what’s really transpiring here,I’m not too sure I learned anything definitive but clearly this incident is but a small piece of what’s been going on between the Homelings and the “Hostile” group.So therefore I’ve changed my opinion a little bit,I still think this is a form of extortion but it seems to be part of a campaign in a war against the Homelings and therefore cannot be judged on it’s own,as far as morality goes.The actions of both sides would have to be examined and then it could be better decided if this was any worse than anything else that has transpired between the 2 groups.As I’ve mentioned before,in “fam” fights anything that can be used or done will be.Friendships will be broken,partners will deceive each other,spies will be running amok,accounts will get hijacked.Lies and slanders will be commonplace,the truth will be hard to discern,3rd parties will be manipulated,bribes may take place as well as extortions and sabotages.In short if some1 can think of a way to seemingly inflict harm on the other side it will be done.I could give you some horror stories about how bad these things can actually get but I think you get the idea.And don’t think for 1 min. that it will be confined to Home,as the youtube video’s prove,any and every avenue of attack will be used by a determined foe,so to conclude I must say that the Homelings non-aggression stance puts them at a decided disadvantage on the surface,true they may have secret “weapons” or connections that might even things up and to be fair the opposition claims they aren’t as non-aggressive as they claim to be so this is more of a fair fight than at 1st glance.I’m pretty sure I have friends on both sides of this”fam war”so I fully intend to stay neutral,getting involved into fights between friends is a sure way to lose some if not all of them.I wish both sides the best but fear the worst aspects of man’s ingenuity will soon be showing themselves in this situation.

By: Burbie52

Burbie52 — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:04:06 +0000

Congrats Seal and team for taking the high road in this situation. Too many times when there is dissent in the ranks everything that was once worked for falls apart. To see that you all decided to just press forward through adversity and show everyone that you aren’t going to stoop to their level is commendable and was the right response. More power to you and your team as you work towards your goals.

By: johneboy1970

johneboy1970 — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:45:13 +0000

Indeed, Seal, as Nos is the only one with the key to the Bacon storage.