Comments on: Should Avatars Be Allowed To Fight? http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/ The PlayStation Home Magazine Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:20:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.2 By: xx96791DEATHxx http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-15247 Mon, 23 May 2011 18:40:34 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-15247 Make it like V world on Caprica..once your avatar dies it can’t come back to that realm…

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By: Keara22hi http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-14994 Fri, 20 May 2011 21:45:20 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-14994 My personal take on this is:

A smart developer needs to create a Fight Club Arena for Home. They would need to create an avatar with built in moves that you rent at the Arena (like the pinup girls with the weird walk animation). Those who want to fight go to the Arena public space, rent a ‘fighter’ for 24 hours who can be used ONLY within that space, go to an assigned ring (like the way bowling alley spaces are allocated), and fight alone or in teams. Make the rental cheap enough that anyone can afford it (.49 cents?) to cover the cost of creating and maintaining the space.

Base the fight moves on the rock-paper-scissors concept. Rock = uppercut, Paper = roundhouse, Scissors = clinch (not the best examples -- I know zero about boxing). 10 tries in one round. High score wins. Green Arena = 5 rounds. Red Arena, must have won fight in Green Arena to qualify = 10 rounds. Black Arena, must have won fight in Red Arena to qualify = 15 rounds. Leader board for each level. No chips -- no gold crowns -- no reason to cheat.

Space around the arenas for fans to gather and watch the fights. Free.

The animation work is what I presume would make this a job for a master programmer. The fighter (you) would be controlling the choice of the three moves.

I think it would be worth the time and expense to create this, however, since it would quickly become one of the most popular spaces in Home. It could even be expanded later to include team ‘classic boss’ battles. (I would love to be in a team of 4 to take on Sephiroth). Or new, even more fiendish bosses crated by the programmer.

If the moves can only be used when wearing the fight avatar -- and then only inside the Arena ring, it would eliminate the possible problems identified by DangerDad and lordrinja. By building the moves into the costume, there would be no possibility of taking the fight outside that space.

Thanks for the ideas! Keep the comments coming.

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By: Inariya http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-14906 Fri, 20 May 2011 06:34:12 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-14906 I’d tap that- However if there ever was a fighting space I’d only want it to be based on skill as opposed to level-up gimmicks. Give me some fighter interface where the requirements are to memorize and tactically implement strategy for a win. Other than that I’d just see it as fluff.

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By: CheekyGuy http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-14848 Thu, 19 May 2011 17:59:28 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-14848 In answer to some of your replies, Sony has associations with some of the best developers out there, Namco being one of the biggest, they could take this concept to them and say ‘Could you do this for us’ And I couldn’t see them say No as it would bring in a new audience to them, Or EA Sports with their popular Boxing or MMA Franchise, of which they could develop something for Home. On Second Life, you had to wear Boxing Gloves which become Animation Overriders (AO’s to us) that animate the punch movements, though it doesn’t feel the same as using a Joypad, of which this type of game is more suited towards.

I like the arena based fights, based on simple Gameplay models, NES title Punchout comes to mind as a more scaled down model, or Karate Champ, in using the twin sticks like it did in the Arcade version. (Which works well in Emulation btw on my Playstation pad for PC)

But the real trick is having ‘Your’ Home Avatar doing the fighting. Not some other Character model, otherwise it would take the ‘personal’ touch out of the fighting.

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By: xx96791DEATHxx http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-14769 Wed, 18 May 2011 23:35:25 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-14769 It is why I play DCUO sooooo much….

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-14763 Wed, 18 May 2011 22:11:57 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-14763 Btw also by Santayana “Only the dead have seen the end of war.”

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By: KLCgame http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-14742 Wed, 18 May 2011 19:22:24 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-14742 One thing Sony could do even is have to “fight clubs” a free minimal one that would have simple boxing matches and a “pay to use” premium one that could allow more MMA style of fights and advanced boxing if so desired. Then it would help more of the population, because quit frankly not every person adds money to their PSN wallet. Yes Most of us do add funds to our wallets, but we are talking about the young males who may not have the extra money because they are paying for school.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-14738 Wed, 18 May 2011 19:08:08 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-14738 Correction: hear

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-14737 Wed, 18 May 2011 19:06:16 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-14737 When it comes to slap-happy it’s not the best for settling disputes for a couple of reasons.1st the game can be fixed for a predetermined winner,Ppl can agree ahead of time to”gang-up” on some1 and then you get an unfair fight.2ND there is no way to enforce the outcome to be enforced,this is a problem for many games used for conflict resolution the decision will only be enforced by “Honorable” ppl that keep their word.3rd ppl have to buy the game,at $2.49 i believe,just to watch seems pretty steep just to watch one or two times.As for keeping weapons and violence out of home,it’s probably not practical because in my experience “violence” in Home basically consists of ppl disagreeing forcefully verbally.In order to stop that everyone would need to get along 100% of the time,seems like a pipe-dream to me.If you think of all the ppl you have met in your life can you honestly say that you have gotten along with all of them?I’d bet not.Many fights are between ppl that were once friends and involve more complicated issues than a simple butt-kicking in a game can solve but this fight club idea would work quite well in the example Norse gave,to act as a Coliseum-like diversion for the masses.For true conflict resolution a process that would here all the facts,consider them honestly and without regard to the participants names,then come up with “verdicts” which are somehow enforceable would be best.Which is why i like the debate idea or a court room setting where the decision’s are somehow enforced as the best ideas for conflict solving,but if it’s entertainment value we are looking for here the fights are the way to go,just don’t count on them solving any serious differences between ppl that once loved each other but now are looking to destroy each other.

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By: Gr3yB3ard http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-14732 Wed, 18 May 2011 18:19:02 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-14732 Ok -- I’m new to Home, but, I’ve already seen a few times that I wish I could, “call someone out!” Wow -- you could really have a LOT of fun with this concept.

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By: SORROW-83 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-14705 Wed, 18 May 2011 14:19:03 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-14705 I am 100% agree with gideon!
I am European and costume karate-kid was a memorable fail!
I explain: all Kikoolol of the home put it and harass people, especially women (which she did not have that costume!).
for me it is a false good idea …..
let’s be realistic! we know what is the nature of 70% of people on home! do not give them weapons!

I do not want to open a debate on the difference between the USA and Europe (France) on the legislation of firearms, but I think it’ll be the worst thing to do! especially in a metaverse so short moderated, when looking at who enroll!

gideon is absolutely right to talk of happy slap!
this is a game that allows very easy in the right mood to settle accounts ^ ^

let violence and weapons at the door of home! there are so many beautiful things to do instead of fighting …..

I hope that despite my broken English I managed to make me understand!
Good day to you all!

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By: Gideon http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-14699 Wed, 18 May 2011 13:36:40 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-14699 Yes you can watch matches. So take your disagreements there! The problem with having combat in Home is it would not be a way to settle disputes. The girl who said she would like to kick the guys a** would be in for a rude awakening if they were able to combat and she got her block knocked off. We hear so much about what a big issue bullying is IRL and combat could just exasperate the bully situation in Home. Get a jerk that is really good at whatever combat system and that person would just be validated. Their desire to harass other players would only increase because they could then just kick the ever loving digital snot out of them if they were to mouth back.

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By: Gideon http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-14698 Wed, 18 May 2011 13:31:50 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-14698 Would Slap Happy Sam’s Stage Show not be considered away to combat in Home? There are physical attacks, blocks, and a clear winner. While I agree that Home does need combat, the simple fact of the matter is that the Home system wasn’t designed for real time split second interaction. Have you ever tried to run side by side with someone in Home? You can’t. If you’re running side by side on your screen you will not be on your friends. It’s one of those issues where they didn’t foresee user desire in the initial design of the program. IF you were to have a combat sim in Home it would need to be turned based somehow. The article was a great read and I really agree with everything you say; Home has a lot of untapped potential. While there might be some way to program these sorts of experiences I wonder if we could just use the existing fighting games that are available and the game launching function of Home to start up a match of Street Fighter 4 to settle disputes. Would that be an option? Lastly, comparing the features of Second Life to those in Home is like comparing a sprawling metropolis to a gated community. Sure you can do more in the wide open metropolis but there are a lot more undesirables. The gated community is nicely maintained and carefully guarded. You can exist the same way in either but just because they have similar “living conditions” doesn’t mean what works for one will work for the other. Good ideas, but I’d be surprised to see them happen. Prove me wrong, Sony. Please. LOL.

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By: Kid Fleetfoot http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-14693 Wed, 18 May 2011 11:45:25 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-14693 There’s a difference between RL war and video game war.

I don’t like shooter war games. I’m not very good at video games period for one thing.

When I get to the western Redemption I would rather ride around and be peaceful.

Seeing the boxing robots in EA Sports Center I wished they were functional. I believe I would pay to play on that one and even pay to watch others duke it out. I would even pay a nominal fee to enter the Fight Boxing area to watch others fight with the robots (depending on price and quality of the game).

The Slap Happy demo in Central Plaza is fun, and funny. I might buy the game when available. I hope there’s a watch option with good seats.
A fighting game setup based on humor sounds like fun.

In the Feva Arena I met someone from over seas who had an outfit that allowed martial moves. I asked for a demonstration and got one and thought it was cool. Then I said “Watch this” and used the Cheer jump option and pushed forward and flew through them and said, “I can do that too.”
It would be fun to have a martial arts suit and a place where people could practice their craft on each other if they buy the outfits.

A mention was made of a verbal “joust” between a female avatar and a male avatar and the female was cutting up the male. I’ve that that happen and it’s a joy to see a cad cut to pieces with words. Perhaps a verbal jousting area. Maybe even something intellectual such as a debate would be enjoyable for some.

I’ve never played Second Life or anything similar online and I did not like a very very brief foray into The Sims years ago.

It was a very nice article, CheekyGuy and something we and SONY might want to seriously think about.

But for now, I’ve got to look up George Santayana and find out who the hell that is. :)

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By: Taylor214 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-14685 Wed, 18 May 2011 09:57:26 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-14685 I agree with this entirely. It doesn’t even have to be a set aside space! Just a new set of actions in the R1 menu that cause the Home users to interact. A simple “Slap”, “Hug”, etc. Simple, amiable, and still PG. :)

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By: _BlueEyesGreySkys_ http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-14678 Wed, 18 May 2011 07:44:55 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-14678 willing to splurge.(limited word usage when on my ps3) Just ask yourself what are the best sellers in ps3 history..? I’m going to list some with fighting sequences and these are Uncharted 2, Call a Duty: Modern Warefare, Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy Xlll, Grand Theft Auto lV, Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, Resident Evil 5, well you get the point, PG-13 gaming would appeal to youngsters new to psn and anyone else who owns a console. CheekyGuy , you did a tremendous job and the overall concept has me excited (O_o). VOTE!

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By: _BlueEyesGreySkys_ http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-14666 Wed, 18 May 2011 07:17:05 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-14666 WoW, You have my full attention with this articles subject and hopefully a future objective for home. What a splendid idea!!! You have my vote and who can you contact to make this possible? I would definitely partake in any demonstration of fighting online especially against those who need the humiliation and purchase its availability like Conspiracy on home. Playing the game called SIMS can be very addictive so its a good comparison. People maybe be hesitant about producing a fighting PG-13 public space, but while reading your written solution to most disputes I couldn’t agree more and developers should feel the same. Gaming shouldn’t even qualify for having a bad reputation when meeting others and myself use games to overcome stresses which by encountering people with a negative effect from games is 0 percent. 8-45 years of age are frequent explorers to home and playing a fighting advanced feature would only intrigue many more psn cosumers wanting gaming services that includes interaction would come.

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By: NorseGamer http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-14665 Wed, 18 May 2011 07:08:47 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-14665 I’m completely and totally in support of this idea.

Whether anyone likes it or not, there are a lot of text-bubble wars in Home every night. HSM’s biggest criticism of Home, ironically, has nothing to do with Home itself, but rather a fair percentage of the people who inhabit it. Giving these borderline-illiterate knuckle-draggers a place to get it out of their systems will go a long way towards confining much of that nonsense to one space.

And, beyond that, a fair number of Home users would be curious to try out user-versus-user fighting (which, if PG-rated, would be a lot more tame than most of the fighting games presently on the market and perfectly in line with Home’s broad-spectrum appeal). Upgrades would be big business. And, just like Arena mentioned, people (myself included) would pay to spectate and watch other users fight.

Criticize the behavior all you like, but even the Romans had the Coliseum.

Killer article, Cheeky.

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By: ArenaMech http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-14664 Wed, 18 May 2011 06:50:30 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-14664 I didn’t even read the article, but I swear I will, tomorrow, at a more suitable time for reading, a time that is not 3 AM, all I have to say is the following:

Playstation Home Fight Club? PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, YES!

I would pay to go to a public space, and just watch people on Home duke it out.

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By: keara22hi http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/05/should-avatars-be-allowed-to-fight/#comment-14661 Wed, 18 May 2011 06:37:52 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4785#comment-14661 This is one of the best ideas for Home that I have seen in ages. I really hope someone at the decision-making level of Sony reads this and puts it on the table for development.

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