Comments on: Is It All A Lie? http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/03/is-it-all-a-lie/ The PlayStation Home Magazine Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:20:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.2 By: Fun-gi http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/03/is-it-all-a-lie/#comment-28737 Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:15:18 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4230#comment-28737 Hmm… I guess I’m just an honest person, and have nothing to hide like some of you do. Telling someone my age, that I’m male, and live in a specific city doesn’t make it any easier for them to track me down than it does for those of you reading along now. The notion of someone cyberstalking me with that info in hand is just ridiculous.

I do agree that it’s not always appropriate, but that is circumstanial in my mind. I have young friends and old friends on HOME, and am completely honest with all of them. I’ve recently found out that I was lied to by someone I consider a friend. Several of us were actually. Personally, I could give a rats behind for the most part. I’m not mad, but disappointed a little. The reason I don’t take it hard is becuase I pretty much expect that 99% of people on the internet are lying to me anyways. If you think people on HOME are generally honest and good then it’s your own dumb fault, and you left yourself wide open for the sucker punch they just handed you when you found out they were a 16 year old dude who is on heavy medication for mental problems, posing as a 25 year old femal flight attendant from Denmark who looks like a supermodel. My avatar looks nothing like me, and that’s obvious right away when you see it. I do that for a reason.. so people know right away that I’m not pretending to be a hunky firefighter type. On the other hand, people who I consider friends and let into my personal spaces can easily see the pic I have posted of myself on my wall. That’s the real me, and I’m proud to put a face to my avatar for those I consider friends. People are too afraid in this day and age to be honest, and frankly… it’s pathetic. I won’t hide who I am, I like me… and I embrace it.

I’ve recently run into several friends on HOME who have become… flirtatious with me. This is a risky and weird place to be for me. I don’t understand online dating and don’t pretend to. I do know this though… until they send me a pic of them holding a copy of today’s paper with the date on it, holding up 3 fingers like I requested… I’m not buying who they say they are. If you want to even entertain the notion of romance on the internet with me, then proove you aren’t some dude looking to have a lol at my expense.

It comes down to this. If you want to believe someone is who they say they are then have at it. But don’t come crying to others when your dreams are crushed because you are gullible and didnt take the right steps to get informed or protect yourself. And don’t give me this bleeding heart BS about lonley teen girl who got crushed either. We are all lonely, male or female. She just wasn’t smart… period. She has no one to blame but herself for getting hurt.

Life sucks, but it’s how we learn and toughen up and become smarter about our environment… real, or digital.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/03/is-it-all-a-lie/#comment-8421 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:47:25 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4230#comment-8421 Ive nvr asked for 1 either but if i was interested in some1 romantically i would but only after quite some time had gone by but waaay b4 the thought of a face to face meeting came up.In the 2 instances ive had of this i was shown a pic by simply not bringing it up.In both cases i didn’t tell myself”this is 100% guarenteed the way she looks and any1 that says different is a liar”.However,i took it as”most likely true until proven otherwise” which is what i think of all internet pics.

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By: CheekyGuy http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/03/is-it-all-a-lie/#comment-8369 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 03:44:36 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4230#comment-8369 Sure, I’ve had people SHOW me real life photos of themselves on Home, but i have never asked for them. If they want to then they want to. I’m not going to stop them and I will say thank you for sharing that with me, because it takes alot to do that. I guess people trust me and that im not shallow. But i can tell a fake pic from a real one, and i have been shown pics that are just way too good to be true.
But i don’t say anything, because it’s not my place. if you don’t want to be straight up and honest to me, that’s on your own terms, not mine.
I can understand that there are some people out on home or secondLife or INVU with confidence issues all over the place, and just to look beautiful or embody the perfect person, even if its just for one day, is the ultimate fantasy shared by anyone that doesnt quite fit in with today’s shallow world of beauty and good looks.

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By: CheekyGuy http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/03/is-it-all-a-lie/#comment-8368 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 03:27:45 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4230#comment-8368 Personally, I dont divulge information to a complete stranger, my closest of closest friends on Home know more about me than my real life family, and thats pretty much saying something.

My Avatar is cute to look at. But i know he’s not me, just a representation of what i would ‘Like’ to be.
But i am still the same person underneath.

My reply to you is of someone elses experience, of her reprecussions of divulging information to a complete stranger on a virtual World, for the most part, she works as a pizza Delivery girl. Shes in her early 20’s and lives in California.

She met a guy online and they talked for months on Secondlife, reaching a point in which he would like to meet. She felt confident enough that they could.

That night, before she was even ready to go anywhere, there was a knock on the door, she answered to find the man she had supposedly been talking to online, standing on her doorstep.

Within moments, she was beaten and raped.

From that day onwards, she never revealed any Real life information to ANYONE, regardless if they were male or female.

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By: Keara22hi http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/03/is-it-all-a-lie/#comment-8162 Sun, 20 Mar 2011 07:52:39 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4230#comment-8162 She’s not kidding. I watched for the full 45 minutes while she put Zippy through his paces. Amazingly, he was able to refrain from asking any of those. then he got mad and walked off before we could congratulate him. I still think of poor little Zippy. All that dogged determination.

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By: backarch http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/03/is-it-all-a-lie/#comment-8154 Sun, 20 Mar 2011 06:21:52 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4230#comment-8154 god, i sooo hate those questions. i have a test. i wont add anyone that asks any of those questions within the first 45 minutes of a conversation. that may seem a rediculous amount of time, but to me, if they cant hold a normal conversation without falling into one of those questions, they are looking for a specific type and not into a good talk. and thats not really friend material to me, thank you very much. that may also seem stuck up, but hey, I’M not the one asking if i can add them!

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By: Cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/03/is-it-all-a-lie/#comment-8116 Sat, 19 Mar 2011 21:18:30 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4230#comment-8116 Having re-read my 1st post,i may have given the impression that i thought the girl was the only 1 that made a mistake here.That’s not so,i just thought that was the most obvious one then i got side-tracked.Of course he made a mistake thinking she looked like her avatar without seeing any pics.That’s home romance 101,get a pic,even with a pic he would be foolish to say to himself that there was no possibility that she could look like something else.Pics can be gotten off the Internet of just about any type(race,hair color,skin quality,etc.)of person that can be found irl.To me that seems like common sense but way too often people see a nice pic and all of a sudden are sure that the other person looks like that.Even if it really is that person you are probably getting a look at them at their best as few would show an average pic of themselves at 1st if they are trying to impress you.She was under no obligation to volunteer anything about her looks but if asked should have been honest.If he felt that her looks were that important he should have asked some questions.Mistakes were made aplenty,by both parties,but if they had spent more time getting to know each other this might have went better for both of them.

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By: Aeternitas33 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/03/is-it-all-a-lie/#comment-8094 Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:44:47 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4230#comment-8094 It’s the Internet. Withholding personal info isn’t deceitful. It’s just a common-sense precaution, like locking the door to your home before leaving. To give just one example, there are people, even organized groups of people, who don’t like Home very much. And if you’re perceived as being a strong supporter of Home, they might target you for attacks. So you have to be really careful about who you give out personal info to, because you never know who might try to use it against you.

That said, my personal feeling about this situation, based on what little info I have, is that they’re both at fault. I wouldn’t necessarily knock the guy for being unemployed. A lot of people are or have been recently unemployed right now through no fault of their own, including a mutual friend of ours, Keara. ;) But it is -- I’m searching for the right words here – downright silly, to let yourself develop feelings for someone without even knowing what they look like.

If two people are interested in having some sort of online relationship, then information like photos, ages, and locations *has* to be exchanged early on. Not doing so is dishonest, and virtual relationships, just like real-life relationships, don’t survive if they’re based on dishonesty.

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By: MJG74 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/03/is-it-all-a-lie/#comment-8028 Sat, 19 Mar 2011 02:53:23 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4230#comment-8028 There was a time not too long ago, when socializing meant you got out of the house and actually met people.

For some meeting people are easier then others, there are many reasons why this is, and for the sake of time and typing I won’t get into those reasons.

Technology has taken that initial “fear” out of socializing. Now we simply log into a program, like face book, twitter and Home, and we are instant socialites. Although unlike going outside and meeting people, online one can create a persona and act out in ways that they can not, or dare not in real life.

Social networks like Home and other avatar based programs have taking away the accountability of the users actions. Anyone can log in, create an account, an avatar and be what ever they want, good or bad there is no real life social repercussions, it makes it easy for anyone to get away with anything. Of course, the ones who violate the rules, or act unbecoming to others, can be banned by the programs moderators. Some will even be shunned and blocked by groups or clicks in this created E-community. Unlike real life the once unruly user can recreate him or her\ in a mater of minutes with a new account and a new avatar.

Im not saying home is not fun, it is and it can be for many. We just got to remember its not real, it’s a fantasy virtual world, controlled by a power switch. You turn it on and off, its here for your entertainment. With that take everything at face value and just enjoy yourself. When it becomes more then that, your favorite social network becomes an Anti – social network.
Have fun in home, control your avatar, and don’t let it control you. Remember to turn it off your PS3 from time to time and get outside and meet some real life people.

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By: SealWyf http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/03/is-it-all-a-lie/#comment-7996 Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:24:13 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4230#comment-7996 I’ve been fine-tuning my responses to these questions since I’ve been on Home, and my strategy is still evolving. My current philosophy: answer the more important question under the surface query.

So, “Where are you from?” gets interpreted as “What’s your time zone?”, and I reply, “East Coast US”. That’s often all the other person wanted to know. If they say, “Me too, what city?” then I’m willing to zero in.

Likewise, “How old are you?” really means, “Would I be interested in you romantically?” So I answer, “I’m a lot older than this avatar looks. I’m guessing you’re in your teens, so I’m old enough to be your grandmother.” It takes a truly feckless youngster to persist in this line of questioning after such a revelation.

As for the “S” part of ASL, when someone asks, “Are you really a girl?”, I type “(checks) Yes. I seem to be.” If they laugh, they may be worth talking to.

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By: Burbie52 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/03/is-it-all-a-lie/#comment-7989 Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:14:57 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4230#comment-7989 Great read as always Granny. As a rule I don’t feel too hindered about giving out basic info about myself in Home. The ANL questions can get to be tedious it is true. So sometimes when I don’t feel like answering I say things like I am from Play Station Home and when the ask my name I say can’t you read it above my head?
The age thing I always tell the truth on and yes it gets some negative feedback because I am old enough to be their Mom or in some case their Grandma, but the usual bad response is they think I am lying. The irony being that I am not, and if I was why would I say I was that old? I don’t see the logic in it and if they persist I tell them I don’t really care if they believe me or not it doesn’t change a thing in my world, LOL.
Keep on writing these excellent articles, people need to see the harm that can be done and begin to take the fact that there are real people involved here, not some make believe avatar without any feelings that can be hurt or toyed with.

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By: keara22hi http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/03/is-it-all-a-lie/#comment-7982 Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:52:23 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4230#comment-7982 This Forum post touched a nerve. It had far too many responses to post then all in this article, so I arbitrarily cut off the last half. You can still see them by going to the HomeForum http://community.us.playstation.com/community/general_home and looking for the thread with this same name. Is It All a Lie.

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By: Terra_Cide http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/03/is-it-all-a-lie/#comment-7977 Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:17:48 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4230#comment-7977 “THE CAKE IS A LIE!”

And now that I’ve got that bit of internet meme-ery out of my system (because it’s been screaming at me from the moment I read the title), here comes the serious response.

In the earlier days of the internet, the ASL questions were typically asked up front because outside of a user name, there really wasn’t anything else to base a person on. With Home, because there is more than a name, but a three-dimensional digital representation of ourselves (whether that avatar is a true to life rendering is another matter) and because not everyone in Home has experienced the days of the old chatrooms, people generally expect to be treated as they would be if the conversation was actually taking place face to face. And so getting in another person’s digital grill and asking questions that are normally reserved for *after* you’ve had a fairly decent conversation is considered quite rude.

Maybe those pre-programmed inquiries also show the cultural differences between Sony’s head office in Japan, and here in the west? I don’t know, but it’s not impossible.

As for the supposed “misrepresentation” of a person designing their avatar, I can see how younger users (and by this I mean late teens-early twentysomethings) would be upset by this, as well as those who simply lack the ability to suspend their sense of reality. We tend to see things not as they are, but how we are. If we’re the type of person who designs our avatar to look closely to what we look like in the real world, we tend to think others do the same thing. To me personally, it sounds like both parties of the story you opened up with lack the emotional and mental maturity to “speak their truth” -- as it were -- with regards to the situation. Which, in my experience, is the norm for individuals of their age range, regardless of the generation they’re from.

I have one friend in Home whom I’ve no clue as to what he looks like -- his avatar is always dressed as a Black Knight, or wearing a Frosty head, or he’s in a cat suit. I know he’s male -- I’ve heard his voice -- but I’ve seen no pictures of him, nor have I seen a proper human rendering of his avatar. I know what his fiancée looks like more than I do him! And you know what, I don’t care if I ever do find out what he looks like -- he’s just great fun to chat with and hang out with.

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By: Cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/03/is-it-all-a-lie/#comment-7975 Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:11:32 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4230#comment-7975 1st,lol ANL,2ND if giving out personal info is a violation of the TOS,and it is,why has sony even given us these as options to ask?It almost smells of entrapment.The small things to me,like age,location,race aren’t really important unless some1 is getting very close romantically to another.As long as the more important things like your core values are expressed in a truthful manner then i think the rest is just irrelevant trappings.Where the girl in keara’s story went wrong is not waiting longer to get on cam.There is nothing wrong with slowing things down and taking time to get to know the person better.Had she waited a couple more months and extensively questioned him during that time things probably woulda went better for her.Always try to establish the truthfulness of some1 b4 giving out any personal info.,and you should NEVER give out so much info. that if things go bad with that person they could be a problem irl until u are sure a person to person meeting is forthcoming.Even then be careful,there are some very,very good deceiver’s on home who practice their craft for many,many different reasons.Some are so good that even after months of intensive questioning by many different ppl taking and comparing notes are still not detected.There is very little that can be done to protect you from these types,which is why it cannot be stressed enough,NEVER give your psn password to ANY1.Ive heard countless stories of ppl thinking they can give their password to some1 and it will be ok.Often it is until a disagreement comes along then whoever gave out their password ends up getting their account messed with.Believe me when i tell you that’s a nightmare,hasn’t happened to me but to a few very close friends.Common sense is the best recommendation i could give for this topic but sadly common sense has become uncommon.

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By: Olivia_Allin http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/03/is-it-all-a-lie/#comment-7947 Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:42:58 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=4230#comment-7947 The frustration of the HWH I call it (How are you? Where are you from? How old are you?) is mind numbing sometimes. As if any of it mattered. And who is to say the answers are truthful. So what purpose do these impromptu mini interviews serve? I to sometime make up a less than truthful answer. Or I have truthful answers that don’t reveal much. When asked how old I am I sometime tell them, “I am 2 and a half in Home years”… or I’ll sometimes say, “I don’t answer that question first because it tends to skew others answers were I to ask”. When asked where I am from I politely say “The avatar design menu”. whether or not my avatar looks like me, this is not something that can be pinned down to if its a lie or not. In so many ways 2d will not show 3d accurately… missing a whole d and all. And whether I am more or less attractive than my avatar is not only subjective but a moot point. I have not scanned in a picture of me to get every detail right. I have scars… many scars, there is not a scar setting in my wardrobe. And even though love may be found on Home, it is the exception, not the rule. If you are on Home to find your soul mate, you would have just as much of a chance by blindfolding yourself at a NASCAR race and groping the spectators. So, is my avatar a lie… no… it is digital info that I “choose” to represent me. If it was based on a algorithmic interpretation of my DNA and I hacked in to modify the readings then maybe that would be a lie. Sometime a friend will send a picture and it doesn’t match the one I already have in my head… no biggy…I choose the one I want to work with and move on. If we meet on Home and you like the dress I am wearing… truth is, 7 times out of 10, I’m really in sweats or shorts so don’t believe everything you see on TV… except for bigfoot, thats real!

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