Comments on: A Vicious Game http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/ The PlayStation Home Magazine Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:20:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.2 By: backarch http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-3819 Wed, 02 Feb 2011 05:39:12 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-3819 i agree with your article, whole heartedly. i am one of those women that is always keeping an eye out for assaults. i dont mean thats all i do, but i keep an eye out for it. whether its a woman or even a guy getting picked on, i will stand off to one side and warn them. yes, i have gotten a bit hot headed towards some, but nine times out of ten, the guy is the one running away and crying. im not pleasent when i get going. WOO HOO!!! lil mouse

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-1936 Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:35:14 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-1936 Btw keara brought up the burghers of berlin who watched the jews b lead 2 the concentration camps and did nothing.Id just like 2 point out that it was the “police state”that was doing the leading/pushing of the jews.I fear a heavily regulated home would b a serious injury 2 user created content,but i agree with the idea of a much better blocking feature 4 users 2 use.This would solve this problem and it would let users feel empowered.

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By: cthulu93 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-1935 Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:13:18 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-1935 Ive found it most beneficial 2 man up and give trolls a taste of their own mediciene.This has worked 90%of the time as most”trolls”r of limited intellect and r just screaming “look at me i want attention”.I believe the other 10% r ppl looking 4 ppl 2 match wits with and after 10 or 15 min. of forceful debate about their actions they send a friend request,ive met 2 very good friends this way after they”saw the light”and realized theres a better way 2 make friends,they have now renounced their”troll”behavior and r respectable members of home.Idk about any1 else,but i would view home becoming a “police state”just because a few ppl cant act socially responsible as a tragedy,1 thing i like about home is the relative freedoms allowed in a world owned by a corporation.

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By: KrazyFace http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-1847 Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:36:24 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-1847 In one of my first few trips into Home, I was very open with people (as I am in real life) and began talking to someone about becoming a father and how I felt about it. They too, were in the same situation and about my age, so we were enjoying the conversation (I might add, this was in the bowling ally space). Suddenly, someone I’d never seen beore proclaimed they “hope my baby was born dead”, to which I was shocked and instantly very angry. However, I don’t mind saying I’m quick with my wit and have experienced much worse in reality. As a result I used my own words to cut this guy down a few pegs very quikly, also, as people around me became aware of the situation, I gathered a fairly large group of equally disgusted (and angry) people. After he saw how many people he had inadvertantly ruffled the wrong way, he appologuised and tried to use the excuse he “thought I was someone else”.

In my opinion there are lots of good people on Home, but there are always going to be wan*ers in life! Just stay strong, and belive in people’s empathy. You will find it. Great read, and well done for writing it.

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By: Keara22hi http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-1787 Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:16:17 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-1787 Thank you, rockstar! New stuff goes up on the website almost daily so keep checking back.

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By: rockstarvixen http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-1780 Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:57:28 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-1780 WOW Kearea loved the article it was just ryte on,,i hope to read all your reports
congradulation on this one really great news ,I will keep my eyes n ears open much wider ,,great suggestions to ,,F ams are so ridikulouse il never get it ,but everyday im asked to join one ,,they never really hav much of an answer ,fams just seem ridiculous ,i feel exactly the same way ,,And this magazine about home is the best ive seen ever wen is it monthly or weekly ,cause ill subscribe ,been lookin for something like this for3 years ,,keep up the great work ,just awsome ,il spread the word ,your friend ,rockstarvixen (^_-))

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By: Olivia http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-1767 Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:07:28 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-1767 I try and rally those around me when I am attacked.I urge others to join me in the reporting of someone but not to do more than one report each. I also ask that no one stoop to the trolls level or the terrorist wins. Then I ask then to block and ignore and “don’t feed the trolls”. Often I think it someone that is experimenting with the power of anonymity, trying out traits that they can’t in real life because they can’t back them up or they are afraid of the consequences — but there are still consequences for anything we do. I don’t think there is a perfect way to fix this and with every attempt there is always a new way around it. So I don’t suggest that I know the answer. All I can say is please don’t let anyone provoke you into fighting back at there level. My Granpa always told me; “behave in a way that, when someone would speak unkindly of you, will cause them shame. And, if you believe in something strongly enough to stand up for it, do it in a stand-up way.” Simple dignities which I hope we remember to extend to each other on Home.
Another good defense my friend and I use is to just start typing our own non sense language and laughing with the often seen “jajaja”. After a while they get frustrated that they can’t get a rise out of you and move on. Its also kind of fun to make this new language. And one other way I found is to go to create a club. You disappear till you back out. That sometimes makes them think you have poofed and they move on to their next victim. There will always be trolls, but like zombies, don’t let them bite and infect you…lol

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By: Keara22hi http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-1752 Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:59:41 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-1752 I know how you feel, Inariya. After awhile there is a tendency to become so inured to the attacks, that they are easier to shrug off and walk away. However, in each picture you can see that ‘good Samaritans’ did spring to my rescue immediately and I was glad they did because it let me know I was not alone.

It was also interesting that, in each instance, the harasser was playing to the crowd, showing off how he could intimidate a victim for fun, get her to run away, or get her to fight back so SHE could be reported. I have had several friends get banned for profanity for fighting back!

The person who tried to help did so without being asked. And, usually was effective in getting the harasser to leave. As one of them pointed out, “there are 3 of us who will report you, not just one, and the Mods WILL take action”. Then he told me, “the more people reporting the same perv at the same time for the same TOS violation, the more likely they will be banned.” and the perv in question navigated away immediately.

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By: Inariya http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-1722 Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:50:05 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-1722 How the article suggests to have someone attempt to ‘stop’ or ‘prevent’ some sort of abuse does not work 9 times out of 10. So unless whoever you’re protecting likes that sort of thing and sheds a tear for how grateful they are to you (Followed by lots of victim crying)- All it does is add more to the drama. Heroism gets you nowhere except a potentially larger crowd bothering you.

Most people who fight against the attackers are just as horrible themselves. On top of that it’s noisy to listen/look at the bickering.

There is no win. You ignore it, learn how to deal with it, report it and hope it doesn’t fall on deaf ears, or leave.

It sounds pessimistic. That is how it is set up to be. There is no charge to play home and aside optional mini-games there is no level of intelligence requirement. Unless you fix the population or come up with some ability to.. possibly ban everyone from your site when playing? Just isn’t going to happen.

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By: Nos http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-1638 Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:59:29 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-1638 Indeed. Being a Homeling of well over 2 years has made witness to the barrel bottom of abusers.
These are the types of users with limited Home life spans. They will always be the victims of their own demise -- whether it be due to bans or just plain utter defeat. The only true constant with this type of user is that there is no end to their existence… and their individual failures within Home itself.
Homelings are quite adept at dealing with abuse, but many respectful Home users are overwhelmed by the sheer offensiveness of some individuals and have little at their disposal for immediate relief… in fact, there is none.

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By: Keara22hi http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-1529 Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:51:09 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-1529 That is really good to know! I had no idea a picture was automatically taken.

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By: Stryctnin http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-1524 Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:41:48 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-1524 Yeah. When you hit select then click on submit report, the program freezes for a second. It’s at that point that a screen shot is being captured and that along with the text log is sent in after the report is filed.

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By: Burbie52 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-1523 Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:40:08 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-1523 I think you hit every nail on the head Keara. I agree that we all need to say something to these ppl and I have on several occasions. Sometimes this helped and sometimes it just had the effect of the attention from the attacker being focused to me. In life I learned one thing from working in bars, if you ignore them they will go away because they aren’t getting what they want, a response. This works if you are the one being attacked, but not if it is someone else.If I ever witness a scene of real harassment I will step in, I have no problem with that at all. And as for what Norse said, I also agree. Sony has basically ignored this problem. Perhaps once the HCV really gets going and there are guides in all of the public areas, they can mitigate these issues a bit as they can report and the mods will really take notice of what they say.

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By: Kid Fleetfoot http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-1522 Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:34:04 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-1522 Unless I am mistaken and I do not think I am, when sending in a report a picture or even video is sent in also in the report.
It’s more than the chat log that SONY has to work with.

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By: NorseGamer http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-1484 Mon, 10 Jan 2011 02:13:36 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-1484 An interesting idea, maximusorillius. My guess — and it’s strictly a guess — as to why Sony doesn’t have a *visible* moderation force is likely somehow tied to liability exposure. Hence why profanity results in so many suspensions, because it’s easy to prove.

To me, the easiest solution would be to implement enhanced blocking features that are user-controlled (features which couldn’t be abused or strain the system). Empowering the user alleviates the burden on the moderation team and discourages the trolls, because they know they won’t get anywhere.

It does surprise me, frankly, that after two years of open beta, this issue still hasn’t been solved. And lord knows it’s a big one.

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By: maximusorillius http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-1482 Mon, 10 Jan 2011 02:01:11 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-1482 Those situations do happen too much on home. Home is an online community but it is missing something, i think a home security or police force would make a difference, not a club or a family oriented one, but an appointed one. Not just a few kids who want to be in a position of power, I mean a full fledged force of mature, intelligent and responsible people who want to see Home the way it should be, not a few kids who want the position of power, and not just (monitoring) but policing.
Sony has the technology to do this, even if they had to screen people to an extent to make sure they are who they say they are. Being a parent and seeing all that sort of thing on home is scary but at the same time u feel upset bec Sony DOES have the ability to do something about it.
It’s not a perfect soution but I think it would be a start

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By: deuce_for2 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-1478 Mon, 10 Jan 2011 01:05:24 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-1478 The “why” is simple, thousands of people are on at a time. The problem ones are usually people who still get a laugh out of typing the names of body parts.

I usually find if you turn around the accusation on them they fold and go away. Many times running.

Other good things to do are:
-- Type “afk” and sit still for 20 seconds
-- Women type “I’m really a guy. Is that okay with you?”, then “You were picking me up, weren’t you?”
-- Men type “How long you had a thing for men?”, then “I’m not really into men, but for you I will make an exception.”

People always tell me that I dress gay. My response is “You are not impressing any women wearing that dirty default t-shirt, so you must be picking me up.”

Confidence has ruled the day for me. So far, no stalkers. Just as they can gain confidence from anonimity, so can you. They absolutely cannot hurt you. So fire back words that they are not ready for. Likely they will run.

It is annoying. It is high school all over again. But now is your chance to learn to beat them. Take every situation as an opportunity to practice cracking their will. It is a fun game. A little too easy, but fun.

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By: johneboy1970 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-1465 Sun, 09 Jan 2011 22:16:16 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-1465 I agree that the situations which you have outlined occur far to frequently in our ‘lil home away from home. The frustration you have with this problem is obvious…and I’m sure you realize it is shared by a great many people who have seen and suffered the same as you. It would seem, as you briefly touched on, Home does not have the resources (nor, perhaps, the wherewithal) to combat or punish the more habitual offenders.

As a Homeling, I try to adhere to our code of respect (even for those who would show none to me) as best I can during these situations; needless to say that following this code is quite trying at times…moreso when I see others being victimized by these fools-in-default-clothing (call it my misplaced sense of chivalry).

This does not mean I am defenseless. While I have never gone out of my way to provoke anyone, I always do stand my ground (I don’t block and mute as it smacks of denial to me). Considering the general level of intelligence one is dealing with when confronted by said griefers, it is not overly difficult to make them feel very small, very quickly, without being aggressive or disrespectful in one’s language. More often than not they simply go away…those that do not will usually say enough to get them banned after a report.

Unfortunately, there are many who frequent Home who simply do not have this mechanism. In my opinion, the really shouldn’t have to…Home is supposed to be for R&R, not a field of practice to sharpen one’s wit.

Those who run Home are well aware of the problem…the official forum has been littered with a variety of complaints (and a handful of solutions) on the subject. But their response has been, thusfar, deafening in it’s silence.

A note of caution: While i appreciate the idea of a ‘rogues gallery’ of sorts, I wonder if the idea lends itself too much to vigilantism. Although I believe that such a section would be started with the best of intentions, those same intentions often become the building blocks to a proverbial Hades. Slippery slopes are hard to crawl back out of.

All this, of course, begs the question: why are we having to deal with this garbage in the first place? The answer covers far to much psychological and sociological ground to touch one here, but it is a question which we should bear in mind when discussing this problem.

Thank you for the article, Keara.

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By: Keara22hi http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-1456 Sun, 09 Jan 2011 21:16:37 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-1456 “One problem is reporting non-verbal offensive behaviors, since there is no chat log evidence”.

As you can see, I was able to catch the non-verbal offensive behaviors with the built-in Home camera. We cannot publish the names of the offenders due to the TOS. But I have had no difficulty posting pictures of those miscreants -- and I tell them that is what I am going to do. If the attack immediately ceases, I do not take the picture. But, I am seriously considering putting a Rogue’s Gallery in this magazine’s Forum section where anyone who is attacked and takes a picture can post it. That way, we will know who to avoid. And, if the Moderators who read this ARE interested in cleaning up Home, we can, privately, give them the names that go with the pictures.

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By: Bayern_1867 http://www.hsmagazine.net/2011/01/a-vicious-game/#comment-1450 Sun, 09 Jan 2011 19:57:20 +0000 http://www.hsmagazine.net/?p=789#comment-1450 Sometimes answering politely in a way that shows you simply did not understand what the person said will cause them to walk away.
Answering in a language other than English (or whatever the agressor used) will stop them.
As in Real Life, having a goal and moving towards it makes it less likely you’ll be a victim.
As in Real Life, there’s no perfect solution. Some are sick, some just don’t know better, some think it’s the way to get the respect of others.
It might help if people were better informed about *how* to report, block, an offender…and that they can report something they witness. It doesn’t have to be directed to them.
One problem is reporting non-verbal offensive behaviors, since there is no chat log evidence.

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