00:00:03:06 - 00:00:26:05 Rev. Trudy Welcome to this edition of Reel Theology. I'm Reverend Trudy Robinson. I'm here with Reverend Brittany Juliette Hanlin. We are pastors at the First United Methodist Church of San Diego, and we thought we would share some of the theology, the themes, the issues of faith that we see in some of the movies that you might be watching. So I'm glad you have joined us today. 00:00:26:07 - 00:00:59:05 Rev. Trudy We are going to talk today about the movie called Sentimental Value. It's a deep one. It is. It's theoretically, I don't know why I said theoretically. It's about a man who is trying to reconcile with his family, his daughters, after being an absent father for so long. And it's a deep, rich movie full of a lot of emotions and some complicated themes. 00:00:59:06 - 00:01:00:01 Rev. Brittany Right? 00:01:00:03 - 00:01:01:12 Rev. Trudy Did you like the movie? 00:01:01:14 - 00:01:11:16 Rev. Brittany I did like the movie, actually. I don't typically have an attention span to watch movies that I have not previously watched. Talk to the mind. I know it's a weird thing. 00:01:11:16 - 00:01:14:03 Rev. Trudy To watch movies you haven't previously watched, correct? 00:01:14:03 - 00:01:35:14 Rev. Brittany I usually watch the same thing. I just prefer, you know, like Sister Act 2. But this movie was very, very good. I really appreciated it. And I also ... it forced you to pay attention because a lot of the movie is in subtitles, not the whole thing, but it just, it's really a rich movie because it doesn't take place in the United States. 00:01:35:18 - 00:01:37:15 Rev. Brittany It happens in Norway, I believe. 00:01:37:17 - 00:01:49:16 Rev. Brittany I think so, and their Scandinavian accents and just their way of being, their mode of being was just very different than what I've experienced. And also very similar because we're people. 00:01:49:18 - 00:01:59:21 Rev. Trudy Yeah. Yeah. Yeah there's a lot here. And I think there's this aspect of generational trauma. I should say. 00:02:00:02 - 00:02:02:03 Rev. Brittany Did you like the movie? 00:02:02:05 - 00:02:09:10 Rev. Trudy Should I start there? Yeah. I did like the movie. Okay. I did like the movie. I liked it for the craft of the movie. 00:02:09:10 - 00:02:09:20 Rev. Brittany Okay. 00:02:09:20 - 00:02:22:17 Rev. Trudy Right. I thought the way it was filmed and the way the story was told, was very different than ... it was deeper, more personal, and more intuitive. 00:02:22:17 - 00:02:23:02 Rev. Brittany Yeah. 00:02:23:08 - 00:02:51:04 Rev. Trudy Than a straight line story. And I really, I liked the metaphor that it began with, yeah. The house that this generation of families has lived in is the metaphor for the brokenness, right? It says from the very beginning, it says that the house it was built. And right after it was built, they noticed ... I can't read, I can't remember the adjective they used for the floor. 00:02:51:06 - 00:03:14:11 Rev. Trudy Devastating floor? I don't know. That ran through the foundation all the way up to the to the roof line. And that is the metaphor for this family. Yeah. I should say that, we might have a spoiler alert in this movie. So if you haven't read or watched the whole thing, I encourage you to just be mindful of that. 00:03:14:12 - 00:03:20:19 Rev. Trudy We'll try to give you warning that it might be a spoiler alert, but we do have to talk about the end. Yeah. But before we get there. 00:03:20:20 - 00:03:51:08 Rev. Brittany That floor or that crack in the foundation that runs from the bottom all the way up to the top. Yeah. Reminds me of trauma, right. That it doesn't just stay where it is. Right. Like the crack works its way up unless you fix it or pay attention to it. And so, there's a lot of things that happen. That happens a lot of times in family with trauma that until it is addressed, it just continues to make its way up and up and upward, you know. 00:03:51:09 - 00:04:13:01 Rev. Brittany Yeah. And I was thinking about the book My Grandmother's Hands, which talks about this passing of trauma from generation to generation. If you're not paying attention to it. And how, as we talk about how our genes, like, genetically are transferred, you know, from person to person, generation through generation, then the trauma is also a part of that as well. 00:04:13:01 - 00:04:18:10 Rev. Brittany Epigenetic. So I was thinking of that as well. I was like, "Oh, this is getting kind of deep!" 00:04:18:10 - 00:04:41:11 Rev. Trudy Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just, I mean, the whole idea that that you can't walk away from trauma, you can't just pretend it didn't happen and that it actually ... it lives in our body is such an unusual, it's hard for me to wrap my head around how that is. So, our bodies just are so incredibly more complicated than we give them credit for, for sure. 00:04:41:11 - 00:05:06:23 Rev. Trudy And it's important to pay attention to all of that. And that's not what's happening in this story. Right. This story is essentially about the father Gustaf, and he has two daughters. The older one is Nora and the younger one is Agnes. And when they were young, they experienced a lot of fighting in the house between their parents. 00:05:07:01 - 00:05:25:18 Rev. Trudy And when Gustav finally leaves and they get divorced, he leaves pretty much for good. He, it's not clear how much he might have been involved. But he's definitely strained in his relationship with that. Yeah. 00:05:25:20 - 00:05:56:00 Rev. Brittany And I was, you know, their mom was a therapist. Yeah. And I thought that that was very interesting for a man who was ... I think that some of the conversations they didn't, we didn't know what their arguments were about. Right. But he would always mention that she was a therapist. And so, I think that she may have been trying to get into his into his mind a bit to figure out "why are you acting like?" or you know, "what happened to you as a child?" or, you know, and he just was not willing to necessarily go there. 00:05:56:00 - 00:06:19:07 Rev. Trudy Well, and that's evident in one part of the scene. They talk about how he and his wife met. And they had two very different stories. Right. And, Gustaf says that, "I saw her and she was stunning and then I developed a problem so I could talk to her." And her story was "he came in for therapy." 00:06:19:09 - 00:06:23:18 Rev. Trudy "And I was helping him with that." So that denial. 00:06:23:18 - 00:06:32:07 Rev. Brittany Right. I would also like to say. Side note you're not supposed to do that. That's right. That, you know, across the professional ethical line. 00:06:32:08 - 00:06:33:12 Rev. Trudy Well yeah. 00:06:33:14 - 00:06:34:13 Rev. Brittany So boom. But continue. 00:06:34:19 - 00:07:06:20 Rev. Trudy Well there's a lot of that going on though right. So the, this man, this father, he's hiding from all of the trauma, all of the things that have caused this generational trauma. And he's passed that on to his daughters. And he hides behind his films. He's a filmmaker. And part of the storyline is that he's making a film that he wanted his daughter to play a role in. 00:07:06:22 - 00:07:36:04 Rev. Trudy And, instead, she says no. And he finds somebody else. But he always deflects. He always says, "oh, no, this isn't about me." And then maybe it is about him. And we get confused as we watch this movie. Not know. Well, is it or is it not? Right. There's a conversation about a stool that's in a prominent part of the story. 00:07:36:06 - 00:07:59:07 Rev. Trudy And, he tells the actress who is in this film that he's making, that the stool was the actual stool about this actual thing that happened. And she's impressed and. "Oh, my gosh, this is so powerful," right? And then she leaves and then somebody else comes in and he says, "yeah, I told her that was the original stool." 00:07:59:07 - 00:08:23:17 Rev. Trudy And the person says, "oh, you mean the one you bought last week from in Ikea?" Right. Yeah. I mean, so there's a confusion around this movie for me watching it. And I think it mirrors the confusion of him. His avoidance, his ability to not really embrace anything that's real. Not in it understanding or dealing with his experiences. 00:08:23:19 - 00:08:29:10 Rev. Trudy And so, he's in and out of this what's real and what's not. And we see that as he's trying to make this film. 00:08:29:11 - 00:08:46:06 Rev. Brittany Yeah, absolutely. I think that the film, he says to his daughter that he wrote it for her. Yeah. Right. That it was her life. But I think that he wrote it for him and wanted to give his children a better glimpse into who he was. Yeah. You know. 00:08:46:06 - 00:09:31:15 Rev. Trudy Yeah, it's certainly this film was his best attempt to be able to reconcile. With his daughter. So he hides behind his films. His oldest daughter hides behind her roles. Right. She's a Broadway actress and of some renown. And you know, part of the damaged relationship. He really doesn't like Broadway, and he really kind of puts her down for not doing what he does. And she, yet, in her roles, you see her use some of what she is experienced. 00:09:31:17 - 00:09:48:19 Rev. Trudy And like the confusion we see in what he is doing. I think there's confusion in what she is doing, too. At least as I was watching the movie. There was this one horrible scene that happened and we knew that she would be in tears. And we see her next and she's in tears, but it's not real. She's up on the stage and it's okay. 00:09:48:19 - 00:09:56:21 Rev. Trudy Well, wow, that's what she's doing right there. She's using that experience in a pretend way. 00:09:56:22 - 00:10:13:12 Rev. Brittany Yeah. And I think that, you know, her acting, who she was as an actress, was not who she was as a person. And I think that you see that when she's kind of struggling to make her way. 00:10:13:14 - 00:10:14:09 Rev. Trudy Yeah. 00:10:14:11 - 00:10:15:08 Rev. Brittany On the stage. 00:10:15:08 - 00:10:44:09 Rev. Trudy Yeah. Exactly. So this film that he's making, he wrote for his daughter. But she didn't want to have any part of it. And so, he hires an American actress Rachel to be the stand in. And that really is kind of what she is. Because he wants her to be Nora, his daughter. And tell me what you think about that whole dynamic? 00:10:44:11 - 00:11:01:03 Rev. Brittany I was really, at first I was like, "oh, is this just going to be a girl's old man?" You know, I was kind of like, "Oh, God." But he wasn't. He was very paternal with her. And I felt like the way that he spoke to Rachel was a little different in how he approached his children. 00:11:01:04 - 00:11:03:06 Rev. Trudy Yeah, absolutely. 00:11:03:07 - 00:11:28:20 Rev. Brittany I don't know, I don't know if it was because of the culture difference or because he really needed her to do this film. Yeah. But there was a tenderness that I felt like he had in communicating with Rachel. And I feel like the tenderness is what she needed as well. I appreciated that he got her, that he cared for her in ways that other people hadn't shown that same level of care for her. 00:11:28:20 - 00:11:46:13 Rev. Trudy For her? Yeah. Well, it's interesting because I think that's just an additional way she was a stand in for the daughter, right? You know, I was I was aware of the moments when whenever he would come into her room and the daughters were there, there was always this awkwardness. And do I, do you hug, do you shake hands? But you do. 00:11:46:14 - 00:12:04:17 Rev. Trudy You ignore each other. In fact, sometimes he did all of that, right? But when he saw her, they would embrace warmly. Yeah. Rachel, when he saw the stand in, they would embrace warmly. And so it was definitely almost like who he wanted to be. 00:12:04:17 - 00:12:05:20 Rev. Brittany Right. 00:12:05:20 - 00:12:11:12 Rev. Trudy For his kids. But he just couldn't. Couldn't? Yeah. For everything that went on. 00:12:11:14 - 00:12:20:18 Rev. Brittany I think that he held a lot of shame. I think. And so, that's why I feel like he stepped up so much for his grandson. 00:12:20:19 - 00:12:21:03 Rev. Trudy Yeah. 00:12:21:04 - 00:12:43:04 Rev. Brittany Like he was, you know, very often. One of the things that stuck out to me was the quote when he was giving his daughter the film that he had written for her before she declined. And he said, "you deserve something more personal than centuries-old plays." Right. Yeah. And take out the centuries old plays. But you deserve something more personal. 00:12:43:06 - 00:13:05:00 Rev. Brittany I think on ... I think that's oftentimes, at least for my experience, what I hear. It struck me because there are times when I feel like I'm supposed to do this very specific thing in this very particular way. And I'm like, well, what if God is telling me that I'm supposed to do it this way? Like maybe, maybe the newness that comes in this experience. 00:13:05:02 - 00:13:27:02 Rev. Brittany Is an opportunity for me to have something that's personal for me. Whether it's, you know, relationships or work or school, whatever it is. Yeah. There's something very ... He wrote the play for her or he wrote for the film for her. Very personal for her. And she was very used to just performing. 00:13:27:02 - 00:13:27:15 Rev. Trudy Yeah. 00:13:27:15 - 00:13:31:09 Rev. Brittany Things that have been written many, many years ago and handed it to her. 00:13:31:10 - 00:13:44:21 Rev. Trudy Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. So that's almost a ... that's an olive branch. Right. That's some effort on his part. 00:13:44:23 - 00:14:13:13 Rev. Trudy Stellan Skarsgard. I think I said his name right. He is Gustaf. He is nominated for Best Actor for this role. And there's one scene that I think is ... he gets my vote in this one expression. Yeah. It's when he is going to a friend of the family who he wants to be the cameraman for this film that he's making. 00:14:13:15 - 00:14:37:06 Rev. Trudy And they talk about how's the family? Right. And, he too, spent much of his time in his career and he doesn't have a relationship with his family, and he doesn't see his grandkids. And he says, you know, "yeah, the children suffer." Right. As if he can be compartmentalized in that way. 00:14:37:08 - 00:15:04:02 Rev. Trudy And then he gets up to walk, and he grabs a cane and he, Gustaf, sees him grab the cane, have a difficulty getting up and walking and moving around. And he is mortified. He can't understand how he got so old. Right. And there's, as he begins to realize "I do not want to be working with this man." 00:15:04:02 - 00:15:28:10 Rev. Trudy A little bit of ageism there, right? But as he begins to say, "I don't want to work with this man," and he lets him down. What? "We're going to look at other people, too, you know?" As he recognizes the his friend is hearing that as a rejection. His face, the look in his eyes was shameful. 00:15:28:12 - 00:15:51:23 Rev. Trudy And sad and scared. And I don't know how you accomplished that as an actor, but I saw all of that in there. And I think that's a pivotal moment in the ... of insight into who this man is and why he has offered an olive branch. I think he knows his time is short. And he had, he's ashamed. 00:15:52:04 - 00:16:04:00 Rev. Trudy He's sad and he's scared that he's not going to ever get any better. Right. And you see that in this exchange with this man. Yeah. Yeah. It's a really powerful, right. 00:16:04:00 - 00:16:04:16 Rev. Brittany It was very powerful. 00:16:04:16 - 00:16:05:16 Rev. Trudy Yeah. 00:16:05:21 - 00:16:33:18 Rev. Brittany I really appreciated. I mean, Gustaf was — no, he was no angel, he wasn't perfect, right — but there was this willingness of him to keep trying to get it right. You know. Yeah. Even, you know, when he had fallen short. Even when his daughters were upset. Even when he had, you know, was rejected. Yeah. He still had this way of trying to get it right in his own way. 00:16:33:19 - 00:16:37:20 Rev. Trudy Yeah. That's right. Can we talk a little bit about his own way? 00:16:37:22 - 00:16:40:00 Rev. Brittany Yeah. 00:16:40:02 - 00:16:56:03 Rev. Trudy So, I, I was thinking about this and this storyline is not an unusual ... father's reconciling with daughters in particular has been around since the 80s, I think, at least, maybe even more. 00:16:56:04 - 00:16:58:03 Rev. Brittany John Mayer has a song about it, but go ahead. 00:16:58:05 - 00:17:09:18 Rev. Trudy Well, there you go. See? You know. But I think about Hook. Remember that movie, Hook? Oh, no, you don't. Oh, you don't. Oh, you don't watch movies. Just, Sister Act. 00:17:09:20 - 00:17:11:06 Rev. Brittany That's right. Two. Two. 00:17:11:06 - 00:17:34:02 Rev. Trudy Two, to be specific. It's the same theme, though. It's Peter Pan who's grown up and forgotten what it means to be young and has grown up and taken on responsibilities and forgets his children. Right. So it's that reconciliation. There's other, there have been others. J Kelly is a movie out now that is a like that with George Clooney in it. 00:17:34:04 - 00:18:05:11 Rev. Trudy This movie is definitely deeper and more impactful and nuanced in this, but it makes me wonder. I think it reflects culture in some way, in the idea that patriarchy is shifting. And, you know, long gone are the strict gender roles. You know, of the 50s or earlier or whatever. 00:18:05:13 - 00:18:48:03 Rev. Trudy And I think I've known that. Some of the more difficult experiences in my career is as I work with older men. There's, it's a patriarchal kind of conversation that happens that is uncomfortable for both of us. Right. So, it makes me wonder, though, that if this isn't kind of part of that working out in this storyline, too, in the idea that this man wants to be connected to his children, but didn't back in the day. 00:18:48:05 - 00:19:15:05 Rev. Trudy And I wonder how much patriarchy caused him to be distant to be the successful businessman or filmmaker or whatever, to bring home the money or whatever. I just, I, it just feels like there's a patriarchal aspect to this and the idea that he kind of gets his identity and what he does. He has this identity of having affairs. 00:19:15:07 - 00:19:38:16 Rev. Trudy And that's how he relates to women. And he, there's this, a couple of instances in the film, where he talks about, you know, being with the younger woman as though it's a normal thing. Right. And he's even that flirty old man, too. I wasn't so convinced that he and Rachel had a pristine relationship. 00:19:38:16 - 00:20:03:12 Rev. Trudy Yeah, it felt a little bit. Just a little unspoken about it. Right. So, but all of that is kind of what patriarchy says. That's what you need to be men. And this story is saying no, you need to, you need to grow. You need to be in the family. You need to know that life is more than anything. 00:20:03:12 - 00:20:35:04 Rev. Trudy And those are messages we hear in culture, too. Right. But I think this kind of represents not just a just an emotional difficulty of bridging the gap between him and who he was and his family, but also culturally this difficult bridge that needed to be built between what men used to be expected of and what women need of them now and what culture allows them to be now. 00:20:35:06 - 00:20:37:08 Rev. Trudy And that's a hard bridge to pass. 00:20:37:09 - 00:20:41:22 Rev. Brittany Yeah. I mean, it goes back to like one of the opening scenes with the house. 00:20:42:03 - 00:20:42:17 Rev. Trudy Yeah. 00:20:42:19 - 00:21:01:05 Rev. Brittany He left the house. But he left the house—the house was in his name. But his children and his ex-wife still lived in the house. And so, there was this idea that, like he had done, even though he wasn't around them anymore, and he had moved away, but he had still done his part because his kids had a roof over. 00:21:01:07 - 00:21:01:19 Rev. Brittany You know what I mean? 00:21:01:20 - 00:21:07:15 Rev. Trudy Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. There's just so much. 00:21:07:16 - 00:21:08:07 Rev. Brittany There's so much. 00:21:08:07 - 00:21:31:04 Rev. Trudy I just loved it. And even in the ways of communication, I think had patriarchal roots, too. You know, that's not that the women are so perfect. Let me let me just be clear about that. And so, maybe I don't even need to say patriarchal. But I found it was interesting the way he said everything he did, it was like you have to do it my way. 00:21:31:06 - 00:21:58:02 Rev. Trudy You know, you know, we're going to reconcile because I made this film, and I want you to be there, you know? And, he was even shaping Rachel in the way he had to have some sort of, you know, influence on his life, or whatever. And then, you know, he wanted he gave his grandson DVDs. 00:21:58:04 - 00:21:58:20 Rev. Brittany Very, like. 00:21:59:00 - 00:22:15:00 Rev. Trudy Very, very. Yeah. Yeah. No, I get it. I would give that gift, too, because I have plenty still. But just that kind of it's an old style. It's an old way of being and it's not connecting with anybody. 00:22:15:02 - 00:22:16:07 Rev. Brittany Right. Yeah. 00:22:16:09 - 00:22:17:23 Rev. Trudy Really interesting to think about that. 00:22:18:00 - 00:22:38:14 Rev. Brittany I also thought about, you know, some of the questions about faith that were more explicit there when, you know, they were talking about the quote is, that I believe it was Nora, said that "someone once told me that prayer isn't really talking to God." 00:22:38:16 - 00:22:39:23 Rev. Trudy That was part of the script. 00:22:39:23 - 00:22:45:01 Rev. Brittany Yeah. Oh, that he wrote. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's about acknowledging the despair. 00:22:45:03 - 00:22:45:22 Rev. Trudy Yeah. Yeah. 00:22:45:22 - 00:23:07:19 Rev. Brittany And to throw yourself on the ground and do all, and that. Because that's all that you can do. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And. Wow. You know, and it was, I think, that in the play that he wrote, the film that he wrote, he was having this reckoning with faith. Yeah. Because of how he grew up with his. You know, I don't want to say everything. 00:23:07:20 - 00:23:33:00 Rev. Brittany Right, right. But his mom had some challenges. Yeah. You know, in her life, his aunt had some challenges in their life. He was born in 1951. Right. And his faith was very different. It was cultivated in a different way than just going to church. Right? Right. And I think that that was some of the wrestling that was happening. 00:23:33:02 - 00:23:41:19 Rev. Brittany On that side. As though, like, "Who is God? Why does this matter?" Yeah. And also "I care about it because I'm mentioning it." 00:23:41:20 - 00:23:46:23 Rev. Trudy Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly that that is taking on new forms. 00:23:46:23 - 00:23:47:08 Rev. Brittany Right? 00:23:47:08 - 00:24:06:07 Rev. Trudy Culturally, too. Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about the ending. So spoiler alert. You mentioned the part that Nora read in the script. She resisted reading it for a long time. Agnes read it through the night. It was so riveting. And it was so touching for her. 00:24:06:08 - 00:24:07:04 Rev. Brittany That's the older sister. 00:24:07:04 - 00:24:34:07 Rev. Trudy That's the older sister. The younger sister. And she thinks that. Encourages Nora to read it. "You need to just read it." And that scene, that reading that you that began with, you know, "someone once told me about prayer." It ends with her actually praying. And the last thing she says is "I want a home." 00:24:34:09 - 00:24:35:03 Rev. Brittany I want a home. 00:24:35:04 - 00:25:02:12 Rev. Trudy I want a home. And then she and her sister begin talking about a suicide attempt that Nora had made years earlier. We don't get to see that. And Nora says "how does he know?" Right. "Did you tell him?" "No." So there's, in the script, and in Nora reading it, and Agnes as well. 00:25:02:17 - 00:25:08:05 Rev. Trudy And in Gustaf writing it, there was something that was known. 00:25:08:07 - 00:25:27:00 Rev. Trudy Gustaf knew them somehow in a way that allowed then that connection to be read or to be offered. And Agnes says, "you know, it was almost like he was there with you." 00:25:27:02 - 00:25:32:19 Rev. Brittany Yeah. I don't want to tell it all. You know. But didn't his mom? 00:25:32:21 - 00:25:33:06 Rev. Trudy Yeah. 00:25:33:07 - 00:25:36:15 Rev. Brittany So I think that there was a lot of, you know. 00:25:36:15 - 00:25:37:19 Rev. Trudy Yeah. Yes. 00:25:37:20 - 00:25:57:11 Rev. Brittany I guess, again, with that foundation that cracks, you know what I mean. That it follows from generation to the next until it is addressed. Right. And so, I think that really Gustaf saw a lot of his mom in Nora. And a lot of the reckoning that she was doing. 00:25:57:13 - 00:26:22:21 Rev. Trudy And he also said that "I see myself in you." Yeah. So yeah. But I think Nora didn't quite make that connection of how the generations build on each other. And the stream keeps going, right. Until they began to have more conversations, until she read that part, to understand that it's not just her who struggles with this, right? 00:26:22:22 - 00:26:26:01 Rev. Trudy It was his mother. And imagine what it was like for him. 00:26:26:01 - 00:27:00:11 Rev. Trudy Right, as a child to watch that. So, yeah. And then she ends up making the film. And the last scene, I felt as though they finally began to understand each other. And you could see the ache in his heart, again amazing acting. The ache in his heart for having waited so long and you could see the forgiveness that she had in her and just this sense of such lost time. 00:27:00:12 - 00:27:01:10 Rev. Brittany Yeah. 00:27:01:12 - 00:27:04:15 Rev. Trudy Did you feel that too? Yeah. Yeah. 00:27:04:17 - 00:27:11:21 Rev. Brittany That they had finally figured it out and it was, like, beautiful. Yeah. And so, there was a grieving that it couldn't have happened sooner. 00:27:11:22 - 00:27:15:05 Rev. Trudy That's right. That's right. That's what good movies are all about. 00:27:15:06 - 00:27:19:05 Rev. Brittany No, it was really good. I felt many different emotions watching. 00:27:19:06 - 00:27:33:10 Rev. Trudy Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for joining us in this conversation. We would love to hear what you think. Watch the movie, see what you think. Drop us a line. Say hello. We hope you and enjoyed it. We'll see you next time. 00:27:33:12 - 00:27:35:02 Rev. Brittany Bye. 00:27:35:04 - 00:27:51:02 Rev. Trudy This is a production of First United Methodist Church of San Diego. To learn more about our events and ministries and to access additional learning resources, visit fumcsd.org.