00:00:00:11 - 00:00:36:03 Speaker 1 Every two days. Humanity produces roughly as much information as it produced from the beginning of civilization to the year 2003. It's no wonder we are overwhelmed, exhausted, and paralyzed. Keep listening. We have something to say about it. Welcome to perspectives, a podcast where the clergy women of the First United Methodist Church of San Diego share their musings on Scripture, theology, and what it has to do with us. 00:00:36:05 - 00:00:59:22 Speaker 1 Welcome to this episode of perspectives. I'm Reverend Trudy Robinson, and I am thrilled to be offering to you and our perspectives audience this next series. It is a series that we're talking about, all the things that get into our minds, our bodies, our spirits that make us unwell, and we're trying our best to take care of those things. 00:00:59:22 - 00:01:16:00 Speaker 1 So this is about taking care of mind, body and spirit. And for these weeks, we have the expertise of one of our favorite people. Sheila Cameron is here with me, and she's been in the studio before. Welcome back. 00:01:16:02 - 00:01:17:18 Speaker 2 Thanks for having me back. 00:01:17:20 - 00:01:42:23 Speaker 1 I'm really glad you're here to help us. We could all use some help. For those of you who don't know Sheila, she is on staff at the church. She is our director of the New Life Counseling Center. She's a licensed marriage and family therapist and just a wonderful woman of faith as well. So today we're talking about one particular issue in our world today. 00:01:43:00 - 00:01:55:02 Speaker 1 And we I don't know if it's an easier issue to talk about than the others that might be coming up, but I think everyone suffers from information overload. 00:01:55:02 - 00:02:15:19 Speaker 2 Everyone suffers from this. Yes, yes, I see this in my clinical practice almost on a daily basis. And as much as I'm talking about it with them, it's a reminder for me as well that I struggle from time to time as well. Yeah. So this is a very relevant topic. 00:02:15:20 - 00:02:46:00 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. In this series we're doing something a little bit different. We we're comparing I don't know, we're matching, if you will, the issue that we're talking about of our world today with some prophets of the Old Testament and some people that you might call prophets of the New Testament as well, just to see some similarities that might then give us some resources from our faith. 00:02:46:01 - 00:03:19:04 Speaker 1 And today we're we chose Daniel, the prophet Daniel to talk about. And just for everybody's remembering memories. Other word Daniel is one of those intercessor writings between the Old Testament and the New Testament. Although the story of Daniel is said during the time of the Babylonian exile, and in fact up until the time that the Persian conquerors came and Cyrus allowed them to go back to Jerusalem. 00:03:19:04 - 00:03:59:17 Speaker 1 But Daniel is depicted as a young person when all of this is happening, and and most scholars believe that this was actually written in the second century of the current era, addressing some of the persecution that the Christians were having at the time, but addressing it in in kind of a hidden message, Daniel, is to be who all of the Christians are, and to rely upon God for the circumstances that were not too different from being an exile in Babylon and being a Christian in the Roman Empire. 00:03:59:18 - 00:04:28:18 Speaker 1 Right? So that's how it all comes together. But we know Daniel. Daniel in the lion's den. Right. And he is the one that served in the king's. This is the Babylonian king's court, if you will. As one who interpreted dreams for the king, and he would the he would sometimes have visions. The king would have dreams. Nobody could interpret them except for Daniel. 00:04:28:18 - 00:05:06:17 Speaker 1 But Daniel could hear in all that the King had dreamt, and then interpret that for him. And I like that illustration, because when we all love to have somebody interpret the information we're taking in. But even so, in this little segment of a scripture passage I want to read to us, to you, Daniel had some hard times. So this is just kind of a signature way in which the story of Daniel is told. 00:05:06:17 - 00:05:32:02 Speaker 1 And this has come comes from chapter eight, verses one through 27. Bits and pieces of that section. And it's in the year, the third year of the reign of King Belshazzar. A vision appeared to me, Daniel, after the one that appeared to me at first, and in the vision I was looking. And I saw myself in Susa, the capital in the province of Elam, and I was by the river. 00:05:32:03 - 00:06:05:03 Speaker 1 You lie. When I, Daniel, had seen the vision, I tried to understand it. Then someone appeared standing before me, having the appearance of a man, and I heard a human voice by the Uli calling Gabriel, help this man understand the vision at the end of their rule, when the transgressions have reached their full measure, the king of bold countenance shall rise, skilled in intrigue, and he shall grow in strong power, shall cause fearful destruction, and shall succeed in what he does. 00:06:05:03 - 00:06:26:17 Speaker 1 He shall destroy the powerful and the people of the holy ones. By his cunning he shall make deceit prosper under his hand, and in his own mind he shall be great. I love that in his own mind he shall be great without warning. He shall destroy many, and shall even rise up against the prince of princes. But he shall be broken, and not by human hands. 00:06:26:18 - 00:06:51:03 Speaker 1 The vision of the evenings. In the mornings, this has been told, is true. As for you, seal up the vision, for it refers to many days from now. So I Daniel. So that was all the interpretation from Gabriel. I love that Gabriel is the one that helps him. And then so I, Daniel writes, was overcome and lay sick for some days. 00:06:51:03 - 00:07:15:12 Speaker 1 And then I arose and went about the King's business. But I was dismayed by the vision and did not understand it. I think about the world in which he was living in. Right. And how how little information compared to what we get was there. But there was still enough. And to be close to power and to watch all of that and to have to be the one that needs to interpret it all. 00:07:15:12 - 00:07:27:06 Speaker 1 I can imagine being overcome and wanting to just lay sick in bed for a long time, because I don't even get it. Gabriel's nowhere around to help me. Is that information overload? 00:07:27:07 - 00:07:58:11 Speaker 2 His human response? Yeah. Then is our response now. Yeah. And isn't that so amazing that we can look at Scripture and see ourself and see our everyday struggle in that it normalizes it for us and it hopefully will reduce the guilt or the shame that we experience. Right, with all of this information overload. Right. And when we can't just power through. 00:07:58:12 - 00:07:59:19 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. 00:07:59:22 - 00:08:13:15 Speaker 1 It's interesting you named the guilt and the shame. I just got back from vacation. I didn't listen to any news, didn't look at any any work emails. I'm catching up now, but it. 00:08:13:15 - 00:08:25:12 Speaker 2 Was lovely. Yeah, it is lovely. And I'm sure you're probably. This is so relevant for you today after getting back yesterday. Now you're inundated. What was what was the amount of. 00:08:25:13 - 00:08:26:18 Speaker 1 Emails and 18 emails. 00:08:26:18 - 00:08:38:13 Speaker 2 You were telling us that the director's meeting today, that. So this is so relevant to you? Yeah. That you're experiencing it now. Yeah, yeah. And we're talking about it now. 00:08:38:14 - 00:09:01:08 Speaker 1 And, and and yet the, the emails that I have to go through, most of them, I'll be able to answer that. So that doesn't even account for all the information about what's happening in the world, what I scroll on my social media, all the stuff that you know is happening in places that I care about. I mean, I can't do anything with that. 00:09:01:10 - 00:09:31:11 Speaker 2 I feel like there's a guilt that people have. Yeah, because we have this technology and we're able to understand every facet of the world, right? That we feel like we ought to like that's our responsibility. That is disrespectful. If we aren't in the know, and we aren't tuned in every second of every moment of every day. And it could feel really exhausting. 00:09:31:14 - 00:09:49:18 Speaker 2 And there's this idea of like cancel culture if you don't know, or this being labeled insensitive if you don't have the capacity to take on what's happening in another state or in another part of the world. Yeah. 00:09:49:20 - 00:10:10:20 Speaker 1 That that's so true. I mean, because the current correct language pronouns or or any of that stuff, we are the society makes us obligated to, to be on top of all of that stuff. But if we aren't actually listening or looking for it, we may miss it. 00:10:10:21 - 00:10:37:09 Speaker 2 We may miss it, and also we we may miss it. That might be unintentional. Yeah. But also if we need to put boundaries in place because we're protecting ourselves. Yeah. Because we are compromised. We're in a state of managing our mental health or dealing with grief, dealing with a life transition that we just don't have the capacity when someone passes away. 00:10:37:11 - 00:11:15:23 Speaker 2 Yeah. I'm not I'm sorry, I, I'm not going to tune in to understand who's winning the political race. Yeah. You know. Yeah. And so people then I think people hold us to this responsibility that we should be tuned in. But we also have to be very clear in understanding people's bandwidth is not the same. Yeah. Yeah. So we have to be respectful of that bandwidth because what we can consume in different seasons of our life in terms of information is different than what you know, others can consume. 00:11:16:00 - 00:11:27:23 Speaker 2 Yeah. So we have to be sensitive to what is on other people's plate. Yeah. And not have these high expectations of them because I'm doing it. You should be doing it right. You should be tuned in the way I'm trained in. 00:11:28:00 - 00:12:10:08 Speaker 1 You know, I thought of this idea and I thought of my own information over overload. But thank you for reminding me that I can make things better for other people to without. So in the way in which I don't have to have that same expectation that they know everything I know, right? Or have read the latest right. I found in some report on the government's website actually, that said, currently the amount of information that is created every two days is roughly equivalent to the amount of information that was created between the beginning of human civilization and the year 2003. 00:12:10:10 - 00:12:12:00 Speaker 2 Do you see what's coming at us? 00:12:12:01 - 00:12:13:08 Speaker 1 Isn't that crazy? 00:12:13:09 - 00:12:54:03 Speaker 2 Right? And we're in the age of like AI. This is going to be exponentially. It will be expedited. Yeah. So it's like how what is the standard? Yeah. You know, how do we make sense of this? It is our personal responsibility to set up boundaries to first assess where are we getting this information, what kind of information, and then to set up healthy boundaries according to what's right for us and our home, our families, and then set up practices that ground us in mindfulness practices. 00:12:54:04 - 00:13:26:12 Speaker 2 Yeah. So we don't feel so overwhelmed. Could I, could I share the information overload? Is the feeling of just being overwhelmed with what information we are consuming. It's when we cannot emotionally metabolize all of this information. Yeah, there's importance in understanding and being in the know. But then there is this tipping point of now we are not helping ourselves. 00:13:26:13 - 00:13:38:00 Speaker 2 Yeah. We're doing too much. We're putting too much on us that we need to understand where that boundary is. And that is a unique thing that we have to distinguish for ourselves. 00:13:38:00 - 00:14:09:17 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I was reading in the same government website that information overload can negatively impact our our job satisfaction and our performance and our decision making. And I thought about the ways in which I know I have those days where I'm consuming way too much information and I, and I can feel myself being, like, paralyzed, not knowing what to do next. 00:14:09:18 - 00:14:12:02 Speaker 1 What? Not knowing what to focus on. 00:14:12:03 - 00:14:37:22 Speaker 2 Right. And that's that's one part of it is when I'm saying that we are responsible for caring for ourselves and and developing that relationship with the self so we can look inwards, I call it taking an emotional temperature. It's it's essentially just mindfulness practice where it's a three pronged approach that we understand. What are my thoughts right now in this moment. 00:14:37:22 - 00:14:57:18 Speaker 2 And this takes like it could take a few seconds to maybe 15 minutes if you really want to get into it. But it's maybe we're sitting with heaviness and we don't know what exactly is going on for us. And so this we might get clued in, okay, this is time for me to check in with myself. So what are my thoughts right now? 00:14:57:20 - 00:15:20:12 Speaker 2 So what are the cognitions that are floating on in my mind? Yeah. How is that then impacting me emotionally? So then what are the feelings that this is producing? After reading this news article or scrolling on the internet? Right. You might be sitting with something. So what are the cognitions? What are the emotions that we are then experiencing because of those thoughts? 00:15:20:14 - 00:15:54:04 Speaker 2 And then the third prong is then what behaviorally am I doing right now. So behaviorally and it is that feeling. Sometimes it's I'm feeling paralyzed. I'm behaving in a way of like I'm feeling I can't do much or it's this for me. And I think for people who are more type A and more high functioning, like, yeah, I feel like maybe you might be in this camp too, that when there's overwhelm. 00:15:54:05 - 00:16:18:07 Speaker 2 Yeah, I actually my anxiety kind of kicks in a little bit and I feel like I want to get on top of it. So then I get into action mode and I want to do something. I want to plan, I want to fix something, I want to go for the solution. So I'm not caught off guard. And so sometimes I have to really check in with myself of behaviorally, why am I doing this? 00:16:18:09 - 00:16:43:14 Speaker 2 Anxiety is present, why is it? And then we trail back. I'm doing this. Why anxiety is present. What happened that triggered that? And then what are my cognitions? Okay. And then what triggered that? I was watching the news or I was doom scrolling and now I'm in this comparison trap. Yeah. And that caused this this thought, this emotion and now this behavior. 00:16:43:15 - 00:16:44:02 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00:16:44:03 - 00:16:44:23 Speaker 1 Does that that. 00:16:45:00 - 00:16:46:22 Speaker 2 Make that emotional mindfulness? 00:16:46:23 - 00:16:51:21 Speaker 1 We don't do that very well. I don't I don't do that very well. 00:16:51:21 - 00:17:08:22 Speaker 2 It's a practice though. It is. It's a practice and it's a and it's a you're in a relationship with yourself. Yeah. So we do that for other people. What's on your mind. Right. How are you feeling? Hey. What have you been up to? Or we do that for kids. Like, what's causing that feeling? I see something on your face. 00:17:09:00 - 00:17:16:14 Speaker 2 You seem sad. And then we do that for them. We guide them through. What are you thinking about? What are the thoughts? And then. Oh, that's why you're hitting the pillow. 00:17:16:20 - 00:17:17:07 Speaker 1 Yeah. 00:17:17:08 - 00:17:26:14 Speaker 2 Do you see that? Yeah. And so in order for us to really relate to ourselves, we give that we have to give that to ourselves, that check in, that mindfulness practice. 00:17:26:16 - 00:17:36:13 Speaker 1 So it really is being in relationship with with ourselves, as you said, as opposed to with the media or the the information. 00:17:36:14 - 00:18:06:00 Speaker 2 Right? Well, it's how we're relating to the information. Yes. How are we going with the information that that causes something that oftentimes the news or scrolling on, on Instagram or social media will produce something, some thoughts or some feeling, and we could be walking around and just that, it could be a subconscious, like nagging at us, or I'm feeling heavier because of that. 00:18:06:00 - 00:18:06:23 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. 00:18:07:00 - 00:18:21:17 Speaker 2 Or maybe I'm recognizing not even the thoughts or the feelings I'm first recognizing. I don't know why I'm really anxious and I'm like, finding a solution for something. Yeah. And then we track back. How come? Where was that trigger? Oh, it's because I was. Yeah. Doom scrolling again. 00:18:21:18 - 00:18:56:15 Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a really good practice for this. That's a really good we I think with all the information that that comes to us, we do feel hopeless. I feel hopeless a lot because I don't know what to do with it. And I see maybe like like Daniel, you know, much of his vision. He saw God being able to to to overcome the exile, to overcome the conquering nations, to overcome this horrible situation. 00:18:56:17 - 00:19:33:09 Speaker 1 And I mean, that seems to be an easy fix, right? But there is something to having this faith in God and and being able to settle yourself down into a place where you can see the possibilities that might be out there, though the information might not be telling you that there are. Did that make sense? Yeah. I mean, just I, I want to be like Daniel in the way to to recognize where is God in all this information. 00:19:33:09 - 00:19:45:01 Speaker 1 And God can be there caring for me if I care for myself and helping things be better, as opposed to just nothing but hopelessness and doomsday stuff. 00:19:45:02 - 00:20:05:23 Speaker 2 But isn't that what faith is about? Absolutely. Like. And God and God wants us to trust him. He wants us not to just rely only on the self to figure it out. That's right. And I think that that sometimes we get lost. Even people of faith, we get lost. And we think that I have to be self-sufficient. I have to do all of this on my own. 00:20:05:23 - 00:20:22:18 Speaker 2 I have to figure it out. And it's okay that we don't do it all on our own. It's okay to even turn to God and say, I am struggling or turn to friends and family. I'm struggling, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what to do. This is really overwhelming. 00:20:22:18 - 00:20:52:16 Speaker 1 And so much of Christianity, I mean, even the best well-intentioned pastors and churches will say you're called to something, which is you can do something, right? And we're called to justice. We're called to compassion. And and we know all of this, but that in itself can be overwhelming for so many of us because there's such a big need. 00:20:52:16 - 00:21:17:03 Speaker 1 And and it could be nothing but taking it all in and now knowing what we need to do. And it could just be all frantic. Right? And so we have to always remember that it's never about really what Daniel did or what I do, but it's what God will do through us and with us in the around us. 00:21:17:07 - 00:21:19:18 Speaker 1 Right? Yeah. 00:21:19:19 - 00:21:53:14 Speaker 2 You're really touching on something that I, I'm just feeling called to share that. Yeah. When we are consuming, consuming information, news or information that's coming in on our phone and we're scrolling or we're tracking our steps, not to the point of just getting a baseline, but to the point where it can be obsessive or addictive. And there's all this, you know, we're tracking our micronutrients. 00:21:53:14 - 00:22:18:21 Speaker 2 We're tracking our steps. We're optimizing our sleep. There's the aura ring. Now we're talking about information coming at us in every single direction. And that's all it could be very healthy and it could be very meaningful until it's not. Yes. And now, instead of it being a helpful device and helpful information, it actually takes us away from being in the present moment. 00:22:18:22 - 00:22:41:06 Speaker 2 Yeah. And joy and peace. Yeah. So we have to find that balance for ourselves. And there are tools. There's, you know, stops on your phone after a certain number of minutes or hours on an app. But what I'm trying to get at is when we're consuming, we aren't creating. 00:22:41:08 - 00:22:42:19 Speaker 1 Yeah. 00:22:42:21 - 00:23:10:18 Speaker 2 We are. We are created in the image of the creator. Yeah. God, he is the ultimate creator. And because we are in his image, we are also meant to create. Yeah. And so when we are consuming, that is a distraction from what we're able to create. So those things don't go hand in hand. And that doesn't mean that I'm not here I love Instagram. 00:23:10:19 - 00:23:14:09 Speaker 2 Okay. Like I get it I love I feel inspired. 00:23:14:10 - 00:23:14:22 Speaker 1 Yeah. 00:23:14:23 - 00:23:40:11 Speaker 2 Looking at other people's creations but I am I am sitting idle. I'm maybe absorbing. It's not all bad, but I am not creating. I'm observing. I'm consuming and taking in. So we have to have that balance of I'm consuming, but then also based in my values and my creating things that are meaningful. Yeah. And how God would want to use me. 00:23:40:15 - 00:24:07:16 Speaker 2 Am I creating art? Am I creating music? Am I creating meaningful conversation spaces of healing beauty in my home and in the environment? It's just we need to be able to consume but also create. And both of those things often don't go hand in hand. They can't happen at the same time. And so we're very distracted and we sit idle and we're observing. 00:24:07:17 - 00:24:37:01 Speaker 2 There was there's also this thing that's just coming to me now. I was very involved in ASB, Associated Student Body in high school, and we had this amazing ASB director named. His name was Wan Robledo from Hollister High School. And he told me, let me get it right, I hope I get it right. I remember freshman like during freshman orientation when we were, you know, trying to start up these ASB activities. 00:24:37:01 - 00:24:58:15 Speaker 2 He was trying to inspire all the ASB leaders, and he was saying, there are three types of people in the world, and you get to decide which ones you want to be. The people that make things happen, the people that watch things happen, and the people that ask, what just happened? That's so fun. 00:24:58:17 - 00:24:59:11 Speaker 1 Yeah. 00:24:59:15 - 00:25:12:16 Speaker 2 We're meant to be people. Yeah. And in different seasons of our life, we're not going to be creating a whole bunch when we're struggling and we're in pain, but we're meant to create and meant to go out and and build things and do things. 00:25:12:20 - 00:25:47:12 Speaker 1 And I find for me just that, that, that understanding that that is who we are called to be. That helps me limit what I take in. So, you know, I there's a lot of things I could say on a Sunday morning in a preaching moment. Right. But I know that I'm not as qualified to talk about this as I am about this or or there's there's a lot we could do with the election or with, you know, you know, caring for people in our in our worldview. 00:25:47:14 - 00:25:57:18 Speaker 1 But but I don't have to do it all. And so that helps me then know, okay, that that's an interesting headline, but I don't need to read the article. 00:25:57:20 - 00:25:58:09 Speaker 2 Yes. 00:25:58:10 - 00:25:58:23 Speaker 1 Yeah. 00:25:59:00 - 00:26:16:08 Speaker 2 Yeah. Because it's also, honoring God's timing for how he wants to use you. Yeah, yeah. And that takes time away from the distraction to really. 00:26:16:10 - 00:26:32:03 Speaker 2 Get in relationship with God and be in prayer and really understand, like, how does he want to use me right now? Yeah. What am I called to do? Yeah. You know, what am I called to create? Is this even the the the season of life that I'm meant to do that. 00:26:32:04 - 00:27:15:12 Speaker 1 Right, right. I, I, I love the fact in our scripture, Daniel was overcome and he lay sick for some days. And now I'm wondering if maybe if maybe it wasn't. He was necessarily so much as sick. Although there's no that would be me. So I get it. But but laying still for days when you're overcome is is an okay position to be in when you're waiting on on God to tell you what the time is for you and what your task is to do and and to wait and see what God is doing around you and and all of that. 00:27:15:12 - 00:27:17:02 Speaker 1 I think that's part of the story. 00:27:17:02 - 00:27:36:21 Speaker 2 To making time for solitude is one of the most restorative practices. Yeah. And I don't know, when I read the Bible, I feel like they did that a lot better than, you know. They didn't have all the devices they didn't have. It was easier to do that. You could, like, lay under a tree and look at the cloud. 00:27:36:22 - 00:28:00:05 Speaker 2 I don't know, they're probably really busy. I don't know, but I feel like, yeah, making time for solitude. That is a practice that we need to really cultivate for ourselves, for our families. And in that we can have answers. Yeah, we will find answers. God can direct us sometimes even with the information. And we're talking about information overload. 00:28:00:06 - 00:28:11:23 Speaker 2 It's like, go on a walk without your earbuds in listening to music or a podcast. And again, I'm not knocking. Obviously we love podcasts, right? 00:28:12:00 - 00:28:12:05 Speaker 1 Yeah. 00:28:12:06 - 00:28:15:09 Speaker 2 But it's like, are we creating time for solitude? 00:28:15:09 - 00:28:15:20 Speaker 1 Right. 00:28:15:21 - 00:28:41:06 Speaker 2 Right. And allowing ourselves to unplug and truly be in nature? Yeah, yeah. Ask God, give me something. You know. Give me a feeling. Allow me to hear your voice. When we're driving, it's like, let's just turn off the music and see what happens. Yeah. I also am feeling called right now to share a really personal story about being in solitude. 00:28:41:08 - 00:29:01:23 Speaker 2 As we're talking about it, I, you know, I'm a busy mom of three, and I wanted a couple years ago to just, like, I just want to do nothing on Mother's Day. So this was like three years ago, and I decided I'm going to go to the mission. I think it's Louis Del Rey mission up in Escondido or North San Diego somewhere. 00:29:01:23 - 00:29:28:03 Speaker 2 And it was like a day of solitude where you can just go, you can take a nap if you wanted to. In one of the rooms in the mission, the grounds there, you could just walk the grounds. They feed you lunch and like, that's what I need on Mother's Day. And that was the first time. I don't think I've ever even shared this really publicly, but that was the first time as I was just sitting after lunch by myself. 00:29:28:08 - 00:29:49:05 Speaker 2 There were other people there, but it was encouraged to kind of just be by yourself. I had my journal out. I'm like, God, if you're going to tell me anything, just tell me something now. Yeah, I've never heard your voice. And I heard God's voice. It was it was like, not audible. Is that. It was a feeling. But I knew it was from God. 00:29:49:07 - 00:30:09:23 Speaker 2 And he told me to go. And I'm like, I knew exactly. It was just go. And I knew exactly what he meant. And he and he intended for me to go visit my uncle is longer story. That's another story for another time. But he told me to go. Yeah. And so yeah, I think that's. Yeah. Finding solitude is very important. 00:30:10:00 - 00:30:15:05 Speaker 2 Absolutely. In our in our faith in our relationship with God. 00:30:15:07 - 00:30:37:08 Speaker 1 I, I have stories we could talk for a long long time and this, this has been so rich. You've given us lots of things to think about already and I know there's more to come. Thank you so much for being with us. Thank you. We hope you have enjoyed this conversation. There's so much more we could say and we will be saying in the weeks to come. 00:30:37:08 - 00:31:01:00 Speaker 1 But glad you joined us for this conversation about information overload. As you think about this, we give you a couple of questions that you can can play with or anything else. We'd love to hear some of your answers as well. But this is what I'm curious about. I'm wondering how your faith can be a resource to deal with information overload. 00:31:01:02 - 00:31:32:08 Speaker 1 And related to that, I think, is what is it about Daniel's story of faith that would be important for you to hold on to, and what information do you need to gather in order for you to do what you need to do? That makes sense. There you go. And the flip side of that, of course, is what do you need to let just kind of go for a while. 00:31:32:10 - 00:31:42:10 Speaker 1 Thank you so much for listening. We'll catch you the next time we're in the studio together for the next episode of perspectives. Thanks for listening. Thank you so much. 00:31:42:11 - 00:31:45:00 Speaker 2 Of course. 00:31:45:01 - 00:31:58:13 Speaker 1 This is a production of First United Methodist Church of San Diego. To learn more about our events and ministries and to access additional learning resources, visit few MC.