00:00:00:00 - 00:00:15:12 Rev. Trudy Welcome to Perspectives. A podcast where the clergy women at the First United Methodist Church of San Diego share their musings on scripture, theology, and what it has to do with us. 00:00:15:14 - 00:00:38:10 Rev. Brittany Hi there. Welcome to our podcast called Perspectives, where you'll hear from two of the pastors at First United Methodist Church about our understanding, our perspectives of the Scripture. I'm here with Reverend Trudy today, and I want you to know that Reverend Hannah is still with us. She is. I know that you've been hearing from us for the last few weeks, but Reverend Hannah's been doing the good work of the church at the General Conference. 00:00:38:12 - 00:00:55:19 Rev. Brittany And she'll be able to give you her perspective next week. And so, we look forward to seeing her. This week, our Scripture comes from the Book of the Acts of the Apostles, Chapter 1, Verses 9 through 11. And we're talking about what it means to become better humans. And we're using this ascension story of Jesus Christ to show us. 00:00:57:05 - 00:01:18:04 Rev. Trudy So the ascension story comes, according to Acts Chapter 1, Verses 9 through 11. So if you've been watching this podcast for a while, you know that we kind of talked about the scripture that happens before that and after that. So this is a little out of order. But that's how the calendar fell this year. 00:01:18:04 - 00:01:41:11 Rev. Trudy So this is what we're talking about today. And the Acts of the Apostles puts the story this way: "After Jesus said these things as they were watching, he was lifted up and the cloud took him out of their sight while he was going away. And as they were steering toward heaven, suddenly two men in white robes stood next to them. 00:01:41:13 - 00:01:59:15 Rev. Trudy They said, 'Galileans, why are you standing here looking toward heaven? This Jesus who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way that you saw him go into heaven.'" There it is, the ascension story. 00:01:59:20 - 00:02:00:17 Rev. Brittany There it is. 00:02:01:22 - 00:02:03:17 Rev. Trudy What do you do with it? 00:02:03:19 - 00:02:09:08 Rev. Brittany You tell me. You tell me what do we do? 00:02:09:08 - 00:02:11:09 Rev. Trudy Right? I know what we don't do. 00:02:11:10 - 00:02:11:22 Rev. Brittany What don't we do? 00:02:11:22 - 00:02:14:05 Rev. Trudy We don't just stand there. 00:02:14:07 - 00:02:35:08 Rev. Brittany Ain't that something, right? I mean, I do think there's something beautiful about taking a moment to look up at the sky, right? But if we spend our entire time looking up at the sky. Yeah. What work really gets done? So when we are talking about, you know, that Scripture and the apostles are looking up to heaven, I was interested in what was happening before that. 00:02:35:08 - 00:02:56:01 Rev. Brittany Right? And so in verse 7, well, in verse 6, really, the apostles are asking Jesus: Okay, Lord, so are you about to restore us back to, you know, the restore the kingdom of Israel again? And Jesus is like: You need to chill out and relax. He doesn't say this verbatim. These are my words, okay? But Jesus is like: You need to relax, okay? 00:02:56:01 - 00:03:12:14 Rev. Brittany You need to not worry about when the kingdom will be restored, because none of us know that time nor that hour. But what you do need to do is prepare yourselves for the gift of the Holy Spirit that you will receive in order to do that work. So as we get to talking about what does any of this mean? 00:03:12:14 - 00:03:29:16 Rev. Brittany Well, I was thinking, they're waiting for God to do something, right. That's why they ask that question like, "God, what are you doing?" Or "Jesus, what's happening?" Right. So they're waiting for God to do something. They want to know when is it going to happen? What is God going to do? What will it look like when that time happens? 00:03:29:16 - 00:03:48:17 Rev. Brittany And so as Jesus again is ascending into heaven, they're looking for beyond this miracle moment. But what does it mean? Right? He's gone into heaven. But what does that mean for us here? Is he coming back now? What will that mean for us? Is the Holy Spirit coming to us this day? And the Holy Spirit doesn't come at that time, right? 00:03:48:18 - 00:04:07:04 Rev. Brittany So they do. They they're waiting for what God will do. And they're also waiting to see if what Jesus had told them prior to that. You know, what Jesus had talked about in God's kingdom coming forth on earth? Would that actually be the case? And so, they spend their time looking up at the sky, looking up. 00:04:07:04 - 00:04:35:08 Rev. Trudy Yeah. And I love that this Scripture, the two men in white robes, say, "Why are you looking up there?" Yeah. You know, this story of the ascension? It happens 40 days after the resurrection. And, sometimes, though, I think in my mind and maybe in other people's minds, these two events are conflated. 00:04:35:10 - 00:05:02:23 Rev. Trudy Yeah, right. We tend to think Jesus rose from the dead and went to heaven lickety split. Right? Lickety split. And that does the ascension a disservice, right? They are two separate events. And there's a distinct difference between the resurrection and the ascension. The resurrection. Right. If you recall, it occurred with absolutely no witnesses, right? 00:05:02:23 - 00:05:13:20 Rev. Trudy No one saw it. In fact, if you asked the Romans, the Roman guards. Right. They'd say, "Oh, there was no resurrection. His followers came and stole the body." 00:05:13:21 - 00:05:14:22 Rev. Brittany Right. 00:05:15:00 - 00:05:42:22 Rev. Trudy And his followers, they didn't witness any resurrection. They simply saw the risen Christ. And even that, they were little moments of being with the risen Christ, you know, according to the Gospel of Luke, which is the companion book to the Acts of the Apostles. Jesus appears to a couple of disciples on the road to Damascus, and then he appears later to some other disciples who had to touch their hands and feet. 00:05:43:00 - 00:06:10:00 Rev. Trudy And they shared a meal with Jesus. And so, it's not like a big public event of the resurrection, and there's no actual witness there. But in these resurrection appearances, Jesus is telling them, "Remember, I told you this would happen. Remember, this is in this is what they said would happen." And Scripture says he opened their minds to the Scriptures. 00:06:11:02 - 00:06:41:11 Rev. Trudy And so, then we come to this story, the ascension, at a time when the disciples were still really wrapping their heads around how to understand the resurrection. Right? You know, it says in a couple of different places in these resurrection appearances, Jesus opened the disciples minds to the Scriptures, right? Opened the Scriptures to them. And so, they're still trying to understand; they're still grappling. 00:06:41:11 - 00:07:07:19 Rev. Trudy There's still a lot of ambiguity, a lot of questions. And then here Jesus is after 40 days, he's still talking. I love that part of this story. He's still talking. And he's, you know, God is saying, "Nah, come home, come on back." And He ascends into the heaven on a cloud. So up to this point, Jesus has just essentially been saying he's from God. 00:07:08:20 - 00:07:38:01 Rev. Trudy And the disciples had to take him at his word. And they did, to their credit. But as one commentator said, there has not yet been a witness, to quote, the conveyance of divine favor. Right. Convinced they didn't actually see God bless Jesus. Right. In any kind of witnessable, in another word, way. Right. Even at the baptism of Jesus that the heavens opened up. 00:07:38:01 - 00:08:01:23 Rev. Trudy But as far as we can tell, the Scripture seems to imply that it was only Jesus who heard, "My son." Right? And then there were only 3 of the disciples on the Mount of Transfiguration that saw again the heavens open up. And they had this vision of who Jesus was. But the ascension happens, and everyone is there, and they're all together, and they all witness it. 00:08:02:02 - 00:08:30:11 Rev. Trudy And they watched Jesus ascend into heaven with their own eyes. There is no doubt for them. Jesus did come from God. Jesus was fulfilling this Scripture. Jesus walked the path that God blessed. It was all true. Without the ascension, we only have the ambiguity of the resurrection. The ascension completes the resurrection. Not so much that it in the way that everything is explained. 00:08:30:13 - 00:08:48:12 Rev. Trudy You know, we still don't know exactly what the resurrection might have been like, right? But it completes it. It completes the resurrection in the point of the whole story. And the future promise that lies within that whole story. 00:08:48:12 - 00:08:49:23 Rev. Brittany Right? 00:08:50:09 - 00:09:13:23 Rev. Trudy And it's the ascension. That is what we then can hope for and trust in. And I think that was the point of the story for the disciples, the apostles, to have something to know that they can hope for and trust in. So, for instance, if we think about the storyline of Jesus, right, in a broad strokes, Jesus taught and acted. 00:09:13:23 - 00:09:24:05 Rev. Trudy Jesus got in trouble. Jesus was crucified. Jesus was resurrected. Jesus ascended and was vindicated, affirmed. Witnessed. 00:09:24:08 - 00:09:24:15 Rev. Brittany Yeah. 00:09:24:21 - 00:09:50:06 Rev. Trudy And the glory of God was shown. Now that storyline becomes the storyline for the apostles. The apostles learned and then were sent and the apostles get into trouble and the apostles gave their lives. But the story did not die. And because the apostles saw the essential of the ascension, they know that their story ends that way as well. 00:09:50:06 - 00:10:16:14 Rev. Trudy Right? So the ascension, I think, really is meant to be what gives the disciples the courage not just to watch the heavens, to wait for God to do something, but to actually live the life of Christ? And in doing so, and in this Christ story, to find the assurance that the path for God, the path of Christ, leads there. 00:10:16:23 - 00:10:23:10 Rev. Trudy To the ascension to the glory of God for Jesus and for them and for anyone else who would follow. 00:10:23:12 - 00:10:48:02 Rev. Brittany And it's interesting because I think, I mean, the resurrection is the powerful moment that we talk about. Right? But no one was there to witness that. And I think that without the ascension, the resurrection loses a bit of its power. Right. And the ascension is, it is what reminds us that, no, Jesus really was resurrected. No, he was crucified and he died, and he was raised on the third day. 00:10:48:08 - 00:11:11:13 Rev. Brittany And then he was sent into heaven with God. Right. It's the culmination, I think, and I think that the disciples being able to see it further strengthens their faith. Right? It further anchors them in this thing that they're doing. And we hear about these two men, right, who say to the Galileans, like, "Why are you looking up to heaven?" 00:11:11:15 - 00:11:16:21 Rev. Brittany When I hear it, I find those men saying, "Go." 00:11:16:23 - 00:11:18:01 Rev. Trudy Do. 00:11:18:03 - 00:11:43:16 Rev. Brittany Work. You know, you can't just sit up. You can't just wait. You can't just look, you know, there's the beauty of this is that Jesus has gone to the glory of God, right? The glory of God has come, right, and Jesus has been restored to God. And I also think that these two angels or men or whomever you want to say that are dressed in white are coming to remind them that the work of heaven, God's glory, has to be done here. 00:11:43:18 - 00:11:56:08 Rev. Brittany And that's why Jesus was able to ascend, right? Because he did the work that was required, right, to make it into for God's glory to be manifest here on heaven, here on earth as it is in heaven. 00:11:56:09 - 00:12:07:03 Rev. Trudy And that's exactly what happened with Jesus. He was sent into the wilderness and then out to ministry, right? He with the Transfiguration, the disciples had to go back down to the mountain. Same thing happens here. Yep. 00:12:07:05 - 00:12:21:20 Rev. Brittany I mean, we see it in the Hebrew scriptures, too, right? Oh, yeah. Moses has to go away. I mean, I think that there's something about having to go away and have this time, and then also go back into community. Right? 00:12:21:23 - 00:12:22:16 Rev. Trudy Yeah. 00:12:22:17 - 00:12:38:19 Rev. Brittany These, the disciples, see this together, right? I mean, we don't know who's there in the crowd, but the disciples have this experience together. And I also think that there's something about having an experience together with other people that then you can did that really just happened? 00:12:38:21 - 00:12:40:22 Rev. Trudy Did you see that thing happen? Right? Yeah. 00:12:41:01 - 00:13:00:01 Rev. Brittany And you can say, "Oh my God, yeah, I did see that thing." Right. And I think that's the importance of having a community is that we have these inner, these individual encounters, with God and with the Holy all the time. But there's something about encountering the Holy with someone else, because then you're really affirmed that, oh, yeah, God is actively doing this thing in the world. 00:13:00:03 - 00:13:03:13 Rev. Brittany And I think that was the importance of the ascension happening in community. 00:13:03:13 - 00:13:35:13 Rev. Trudy That's right. And I think even, even if, you understand the ascension, not in a literal way, that community helps us affirm what we believe, right. About whatever is the larger truth in the story. Yeah. So that community is really important. And I think it's important, you know, as you remind me, the work we have also has some responsibility to the larger community that might not be represented in the church. 00:13:35:13 - 00:13:55:15 Rev. Trudy Right. you know, the least, the last, and the lost. And if it were just for us as disciples, if it was just for the disciples to see the ascension, then they could look at the heavens all day because they'd already seen, they already believe, they're good to go. Right. Right. But that's not what the men say. 00:13:56:11 - 00:14:01:15 Rev. Trudy The men say, you know, what are you doing standing around like that? Come on, get back to work. 00:14:01:17 - 00:14:03:01 Rev. Brittany Get back to work. 00:14:03:02 - 00:14:12:14 Rev. Trudy It's a story that is not just Jesus' and it's not just yours, but it's for other people, too. And you are the ones who are going to be able to share them, who have to share that. Right? Yeah. 00:14:12:19 - 00:14:30:15 Rev. Brittany Right. And it's just like when we talked about our, you said earlier, kind of like the life cycle of Jesus is kind of how I like to think of it. Jesus first learns he has to be taught this information. So he learns the Scriptures and the traditions from the rabbis. And then he goes out from his own home and from the comforts of his community to do that work that God had called him to do. 00:14:30:21 - 00:14:49:01 Rev. Brittany Then he calls and invites other people into doing that work because he couldn't do it on his own. Right. He needed other people to be involved. And then he goes out and he teaches the disciples and the crowds what God means by God's love and invites them into joining in that good work that they do. Then he's rejected, right? 00:14:49:02 - 00:15:12:01 Rev. Brittany He's rejected by his community. He's been persecuted and questioned by the religious leaders and the government officials about his message of inclusion. Then he's crucified. He's publicly ridiculed and assassinated. Then he's resurrected. God's power gives life to that which has been killed. And then he ascends in the joining of God. And I think about us in that way, in our own, in our own faith. 00:15:12:01 - 00:15:33:02 Rev. Brittany Right. Learning is first. And once we learn, then we want to go out and we want to share it with other people. And we also want to invite those other people into what we what we know and what they know, so that we might know something new together. And then teaching. Right. Teaching other people what that actually means. What it means to be living in community. What it means to be faithful. 00:15:33:04 - 00:15:57:19 Rev. Brittany And we often sometimes will be rejected if our message is counter to what the culture has for us. We know that as Christians. And then the persecution that comes with that, being ostracized or being told that you're something that you're not, crucifixion, we don't want to talk about it, but it happens, right? Sometimes our — not physically — our characters can be crucified and assassinated. 00:15:57:21 - 00:16:19:11 Rev. Brittany And I still believe that God resurrects that in us. Right. I think that God, even in that character assassination, that love can be resurrected in us, that grace can be resurrected in us, that hope can be resurrected in us. Right? And once those things are resurrected in us, in my opinion, that's when God's glory is made manifest and we are able to not. 00:16:19:11 - 00:16:29:03 Rev. Brittany I won't say like ascend into heaven, but I think of the idea of doing, of being close to God. 00:16:29:05 - 00:16:29:15 Rev. Trudy Yeah. 00:16:29:20 - 00:16:46:00 Rev. Brittany In God's – I don't say in God's favor necessarily – but that you have been, elevated to God, to God's heart in your actions. Right. That we, I think. Yeah. 00:16:46:02 - 00:17:17:18 Rev. Hannah Hey, it's Reverend Hannah. I'm really enjoying this conversation. If you are, too, be sure to, like, follow, subscribe, or whatever you need to do on your preferred platform to get the latest perspectives. Episodes will be bringing a fresh take on scriptures, theology, and life each week. While you're at it, leave a review or drop us a line. We'd love to see your feedback. 00:17:17:19 - 00:17:42:15 Rev. Trudy You know, I think that's important because, the resurrection, it can just stay in the, I mean, all of this, as so many points in what we've been saying, and in the Scripture and in our experience is, we can get to the point where we see and we believe, but it doesn't go anywhere else, right? 00:17:42:16 - 00:18:01:13 Rev. Trudy Right. Even if we feel the resurrection of hope in our lives, if we keep it to ourselves. There's no ascension. There's no movement, right, outward into the larger community. There's no glory for God. Right. 00:18:01:15 - 00:18:06:23 Rev. Brittany And I also think that when we are anticipating something, we move differently. 00:18:07:21 - 00:18:29:12 Rev. Brittany Right. When I think about kids, for instance, like and you tell them, you know, Santa Claus is coming, so you better watch out. Right? You better be good or you're going to go on the naughty list. They're anticipating Christmas, and so they have a tendency to behave differently. Right. And I think that when we are anticipating something, it causes us to move differently, to act differently, to see things differently. 00:18:29:14 - 00:18:40:23 Rev. Brittany And as the disciples are waiting and anticipating the new thing that God is doing, I think they are being moved in a different way to see beyond what it is that they have had always thought. 00:18:41:00 - 00:19:03:12 Rev. Trudy Yeah. And it's important for us to remember that the Jewish tradition now to which all the apostles came from, it wasn't about an individual salvation, it was a communal salvation. The church continues to be about a communal salvation, although, in our Western world, we tend to be very individualistic in that thinking. It's just as it is a community. 00:19:03:15 - 00:19:37:02 Rev. Trudy So, when you see, perhaps, you know, the resurrection in your life or, you know, if the disciples believed in the resurrection, it couldn't stop there. You had to have the hope that it would affect everything. And for us to have the resurrection really live in us and be a mark or a signal for a greater, a greater salvation for the world that is hopeful. 00:19:37:03 - 00:19:40:16 Rev. Trudy Right. And so you do have to anticipate. Right. 00:19:40:21 - 00:19:49:13 Rev. Brittany Because the thing also, when I think about the resurrection, Jesus could have easily been resurrected and ascended into heaven like you said, it could have been completed. 00:19:49:15 - 00:19:52:05 Rev. Trudy By lickety split, lickety split. 00:19:52:07 - 00:20:21:11 Rev. Brittany But there was something about Jesus having to be in community with them again and spending that time with them to prepare them for the ascension. Right. And there's something about the ascension happening in community versus in the quiet. Yeah. Secret place. Right. That it happens in community because I think then it affirms what we're talking about, that what we have to do as a community, that it's not about our salvation, it's about us doing it together. 00:20:21:11 - 00:20:37:14 Rev. Trudy That's right. That's right. So, there's ten days between the ascension and the gift of the Holy Spirit. Pentecost. We're going to talk about Pentecost in the future podcast. But why do you think there's ten days? 00:20:37:16 - 00:21:03:02 Rev. Brittany Well, if it's, I mean, I'm a little bit of a cynic, but I tend to think that sometimes, at least in my mind, when something good happens to me, I want to like, share it. I want to like, tell everybody about it. And I want to do something right then. And sometimes I think that God wants me to sit with it so that I can really take a moment to actually believe the thing that's happened, right. Like, sit in it for a second. 00:21:03:04 - 00:21:18:17 Rev. Brittany That's how I think about it. I think that sometimes, if I take it from a modern perspective. Right. We read books, and for instance, about racism. That's one of the things that I talk about. And often times, people will read a book and they will come to me and say, "Well, Brittany, what do I do with this?" 00:21:18:18 - 00:21:20:19 Rev. Brittany And I'm like, "You probably should sit with it." 00:21:21:00 - 00:21:22:07 Rev. Trudy There you go. Right, right. 00:21:22:08 - 00:21:46:09 Rev. Brittany And let it marinate in you so that you can actually believe the thing that you're talking about. So that when you go out and you're trying to do this work, you are assured enough in your own spirit, right? And it's not just something that happens so instantaneously, but you've had an opportunity to sit and ponder. I think there's something about pondering, and Luke uses that word ponder all through the Gospel of Luke, right? 00:21:46:11 - 00:21:50:01 Rev. Brittany I think this is an opportunity for the disciples to ponder. What do you think? 00:21:50:01 - 00:22:09:05 Rev. Trudy Well, I like what you've said, and I agree. I think there's something about taking root. And when I think about times when somebody has given me something really difficult to do and I know I have to do it, I have to find a way that it feels comfortable for me to do exactly, right. 00:22:09:07 - 00:22:29:16 Rev. Trudy If I have to say some really difficult things, but are true and it has to be said, I have to find a way to put it in my words so that I'm feeling comfortable, that it feels authentic to me. Right. So that's really coming from a place that allows me then to be responsive in the moment for whatever my response there might be. 00:22:29:16 - 00:23:07:05 Rev. Trudy Yeah. So I also think that there's a part of, you know, this is a miraculous thing. Everything that they had hoped for has been affirmed in this. Right? And I can see the importance of letting that sit but build, you know, the eagerness, the waiting, the anticipation for what it might be like to have it all come together just kind of strengthens the resolve to get it done, too. 00:23:07:06 - 00:23:29:13 Rev. Trudy Yeah, I think, yeah. There's one more topic I think we have to talk about when we talk about the ascension. Jump in, girl. There you go. I think it's recognizing that, you know, ascending into heaven on a cloud is kind of, you know, it's not the way we think about the world anymore, right? Yeah. What do we do with the way the story is told? 00:23:30:11 - 00:23:57:08 Rev. Trudy You know, back in antiquity, the understanding of the cosmos was that it was three tiered, right? There was hell down below. There was earth in the middle, and then there was the heavens above. So that kind of, you know, getting on the cloud, punch in the elevator button to heaven, and zoom. Lickety split. Lickety split. But that doesn't work for us so much anymore, right? 00:23:57:10 - 00:24:30:08 Rev. Trudy We have planets. We have solar systems, stars, black holes, universes, many universes. Right? So much. It seems to conflict with this story if we're looking at it literally. But if we get to the root of this story, as motivation for the apostles, if we understand this story to also be about affirming Jesus, the one, the part of the Godhead, if you will, who is now returning from the Godhead from which He came. 00:24:30:21 - 00:25:01:04 Rev. Trudy And that affirmation of the glory of God who is able to do these kinds of things within a human form. Right. If the story, if the ascension is understood as those are the most important things about the story, and it's not really about the three-tiered world, then we have the opportunity to reflect on how this story fits within our understanding of the cosmos. 00:25:01:04 - 00:25:32:02 Rev. Trudy And, you know, whenever I have seen images of space. Yeah. Just unbelievably beautiful patterns and lights and colors. And it's awe-inspiring. It's awe-inspiring because we know it's real and it's out there and it's something beyond our imagination. And so, if the story of the ascension is. 00:25:32:04 - 00:25:52:10 Rev. Trudy Is about the glory of God in humanity and in Jesus in particular. And it is meant to inspire the apostles not just to stand there. Then couldn't those images of our incredible cosmos do the same for us? I mean, shouldn't it do the same if we were to look up into the heavens through the Hubble telescope? Right. 00:25:52:12 - 00:26:36:09 Rev. Trudy If we were to do that and see those images, wouldn't it raise questions like, oh my word, in the grand scheme of things, what is important? Right? And with the evidence that, of this expansive existence that we know nothing about, wouldn't we think how much more is possible than we're aware of? Right. Yeah. And doesn't it ultimately prompt the wonder and awe of the psalmist who asked, "When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars which you have set in place, what is mankind, that you are mindful of them? 00:26:36:09 - 00:27:07:01 Rev. Trudy Human beings that you care for them?" Right. And notice it's not. Who am I that you care for me? It's humanity. It's all of humankind, right? And wouldn't that make you want to live your life in a way that honors the glory of what exists? Yeah. You know, the miracle of our existence. And God is a creator God. 00:27:07:06 - 00:27:28:23 Rev. Trudy And if our experience of heaven is like this, aren't we much more hopeful? And doesn't that give us a reason to anticipate the good that can come out of it? I don't know, that's just my perspective when I'm thinking about these. 00:27:28:23 - 00:27:53:00 Rev. Brittany I appreciate that perspective. And I also think that thinking of it beyond the universe is big. The ocean is big. We have no idea what's above or below us to the full extent. Right? And I think of God in the same way. We only have a glimpse, right? We have our own understandings of who we know God to be and who we think God is. 00:27:53:00 - 00:28:09:01 Rev. Brittany But even in our understanding of what we can see, God is so much bigger, right? So much more miraculous, so much more loving, so much more gracious, so much more expansive than anything that we could conceive of. And to me, that's the ascension. 00:28:09:03 - 00:28:14:16 Rev. Trudy Yeah, right. Yeah, I like it. I like it, too. There you go. I think we've given folks a lot to think about. 00:28:14:19 - 00:28:43:22 Rev. Brittany I hope you liked our perspective, but I do have a few questions for you to ponder in your heart chakra. First: How would you describe heaven? Second: Where do you find the glory of God? And third: How does your understanding of who Jesus is as the Son of God inform the way that you act in the world? We hope that you will ponder these questions and that you'll join us for opportunities to discuss at the Convergence. 00:28:43:22 - 00:28:58:19 Rev. Brittany We meet online on Tuesdays at 6 PM or in person at 10:30 AM on Wednesday mornings. And we'd also love for you to join us at 11 AM for our Tapestry service on Sundays. Have a good day. Bye! 00:28:58:21 - 00:29:27:01 Rev. Trudy This is a production of First United Methodist Church of San Diego. To learn more about our events and ministries, and to access additional learning resources, visit fumcsd.org.