00:00:00:00 - 00:00:29:12 Rev. Trudy Welcome to Perspectives, a podcast where the clergy women of the First United Methodist Church of San Diego share our musings around Scripture. Today, we are doing episode number 4 of the Journey of Hard Stuff as seen through the story of Moses. Today we're looking at Exodus 5. Specifically, it's the description of the oppression that the Hebrew people were under. 00:00:29:13 - 00:00:58:09 Rev. Trudy And so our theme is justice or injustice, however you want to look at it. So where we are in the story in Exodus 5 is we remember that the enslavement of the Hebrew people came out of Pharaoh's fear of its growing population, and the Hebrew people needed to be controlled, needed to be kept under Pharaoh's thumb. And so Pharaoh assigned task masters to be over supervisors, to be over the people. 00:00:58:09 - 00:01:18:18 Rev. Trudy Then he enslaved. And Pharaoh commanded at this point in the story that the task masters say to their enslaved people, "You shall no longer give the people straw to make bricks. Let them go and gather straw for themselves, but require of them the same quantity of bricks." 00:01:19:12 - 00:01:39:06 Rev. Trudy So the task masters did as Pharaoh commanded, and the people scattered throughout the land to find the stubble for the straw. But of course, they couldn't complete the same number of bricks in the day. And when they couldn't produce, the supervisors were beaten. And the supervisors cried out to Pharaoh. But Pharaoh called the enslaved people lazy. 00:01:39:10 - 00:01:45:20 Rev. Brittany And Trudy let them know that. The supervisors were Israelites. 00:01:45:22 - 00:01:49:13 Rev. Trudy The supervisors were part of that. Yes. 00:01:49:15 - 00:01:50:18 Rev. Brittany The oppressed group. Yeah. 00:01:50:18 - 00:01:56:22 Rev. Trudy Yeah. We're going to get into that. And so it seems to me in this story, of course, we see that the injustice gets worse. 00:01:57:00 - 00:01:57:20 Rev. Brittany Right. 00:01:57:22 - 00:02:00:23 Rev. Trudy And I would suspect that injustice began. 00:02:02:10 - 00:02:30:10 Rev. Trudy Or begins small. And that it's. It's a slight action or a slight requirement. And and and then it just grows, as we see here. At first it's the hard work of making bricks, but then it becomes the hard work of finding the straw in order to make the bricks. And the oppression just worsens. And notice here Pharaoh has created a full blown system of oppression, taskmaster supervisors and the workers. 00:02:30:15 - 00:02:32:08 Rev. Trudy All of it borne out of fear. 00:02:33:01 - 00:02:37:01 Rev. Trudy And the fear of the other is the oppressors. Fear? 00:02:38:06 - 00:03:04:15 Rev. Trudy And the system of oppression created fear also for those who were enslaved, right? The enslaved people know, especially in this story, in this part of the story, that it could always get worse. So fear keeps them in line and keeps the system going. Pharaoh called the people lazy. Lazy. Right. Which is completely erroneous, untruthful and uncalled for. 00:03:04:16 - 00:03:22:10 Rev. Trudy Right. But the if the oppressors, the task masters, the supervisors, even if they can believe that, then it gives them justification for being oppressive. Right. And the task masters can say it's not us, it's them. They're lazy. They're bringing it on themselves. 00:03:26:16 - 00:03:47:07 Rev. Brittany That's really interesting to me. Right. Because as I said, and as you further explained that the Israelites are the ones who are supervising, being those who are also Israelites and have been enslaved. Right. And so in verses 19 and 20, the the Israelites have come back from the Pharaoh. And Pharaoh was like, You're lazy. Get over it. Right. 00:03:47:12 - 00:04:11:07 Rev. Brittany And they see Moses and Aaron sitting there, standing there, wherever they were postured. And they go up to Moses and Aaron, the Israelite supervisors, and they say, "You've made our lives so much worse. Why did you have to open your mouth? You have destroyed us." Right. And so that energy that they're giving, that anger and that rage that they're giving to Moses and Aaron, while they can't give it to the Pharaoh. 00:04:11:07 - 00:04:33:08 Rev. Brittany Right. They can't express it in the same way, because as you said, it can get worse and it had gotten worse. So now the only thing that they can do is to take out their anger and frustration over someone else in their same group. Right. The internal fighting. And so that's how groups who are oppressed always, you know, have this internal struggle with one another. 00:04:33:08 - 00:04:53:01 Rev. Brittany Often because they can't express that anger or that frustration or that disappointment in that fear to the person who is over them. Right to the oppressor. So that was really interesting to me. And it also made me think of Vernon Johns, Reverend Dr. Vernon Johns. 00:04:54:03 - 00:05:17:15 Rev. Brittany And Reverend Dr. Vernon John. He was a minister in the 50s – 50s, 40s, 50s, yeah. And he was assigned as an itinerant preacher to go to Dexter Avenue Baptist Church in Montgomery, Alabama. Side note, if anyone wants to talk with me about Dexter Avenue Baptist Church, you let me know. I'll tell you my experience. But that's another podcast, right? 00:05:17:19 - 00:05:38:11 Rev. Brittany It is, right? Isn't it? I had to look at the camera for that one. Okay. Anyway, so Dexter Avenue Baptist Church, a really well-known church in Montgomery, Alabama. And during the 1950s, they were they had created a little enclave for themselves. Right. They were dealing with segregation and they were always dealing with the oppression in the systems down in Montgomery. 00:05:38:12 - 00:05:58:21 Rev. Brittany However, they were able to kind of move themselves out of feeling that fullness of what that oppression looked like on Sunday mornings. Right. Because they got to dress up and they got to, you know, live lives that were respectable in their eyes. And so they got to keep their heads down. Well, Vernon Johns comes and he's like, you're still oppressed. 00:05:58:23 - 00:06:18:23 Rev. Brittany You're you're very oppressed. And I don't care how many pearls you wear, honey, you're oppressed, okay? And people are being killed all around us and we're ignoring it. And that's not what the Gospel would have us to say. And so the Deacons, the Board of Deacons do not like this at all. And they become worried that the target is now going to be on their back. 00:06:18:23 - 00:06:43:13 Rev. Brittany Right. Because their pastor is speaking out against it. And so they become afraid because they know, like the Israelites, it can get worse because it has gotten worse. Right. And so they're understanding is now we need to continue to maintain the status quo. We're okay with this level, but we can't take it any further than that. And so Vernon Johns was dismissed from that position by the deacon board. 00:06:43:18 - 00:07:06:12 Rev. Brittany And then what's really interesting and very ironic is that they felt that Vernon Johns was an agitator, that he was coming to agitate the system, agitate the hornet's nest. Well, they got Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King to be their pastor, so after. And they assumed because he was younger, that he would be a little bit more mild. And that's pretty funny to me. 00:07:06:17 - 00:07:35:06 Rev. Brittany And that also goes to show me that God's justice doesn't stop, no matter who the leader is, that God's justice will come forward. And God is always going to bring folks who are willing to speak truth to power and to do that work, even when we don't want to hear it right, even when the systems that we are trying to to work with and to, you know, let them know that they are oppressed and to move for justice in their lives even when they turn and don't want it. 00:07:35:06 - 00:07:37:02 Rev. Brittany God's justice will prevail. 00:07:37:02 - 00:07:39:02 Rev. Trudy We'll find a way always. 00:07:39:04 - 00:07:44:02 Rev. Brittany So then that makes me think right about justice. We hear the word all the time, but what does it even mean? 00:07:44:02 - 00:07:44:17 Rev. Trudy Right. 00:07:44:19 - 00:08:01:01 Rev. Brittany And so Webster defines justice as the maintenance or administration of what is just simple. Simple seems. Right. Right. So then where is the justice, Trudy? If it is so simple and easy. 00:08:01:03 - 00:08:02:21 Rev. Trudy What exactly is just though? 00:08:03:00 - 00:08:29:02 Rev. Brittany What is just. Well, where I was looking just was defined as righteousness, which is really interesting to me. Right? Because that's not a yeah, that wasn't the Bible's definition, even though it is the Bible's definition. Right. But this is coming from Webster's in connection. Right. Isn't it? And so I thought, well, what does justice mean? What does justice mean in the Bible? 00:08:29:04 - 00:08:38:18 Rev. Brittany And mishpat, which is a Hebrew word, is the most basic meaning of what it means to treat people with equality and equitably. 00:08:39:18 - 00:08:53:21 Rev. Brittany So not just equality, but also with equity. And there can't be justice without equity. Right? That's right. That's right. And then the other word that was also defined in justice was righteousness, tsadiyq. 00:08:54:20 - 00:09:10:00 Rev. Brittany Yeah. I learned a little bit of Hebrew. And so when I put those, I found those those words together in Scripture from Proverbs, and it says, to do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice. 00:09:10:02 - 00:09:11:20 Rev. Trudy Wow. Right. There you go. 00:09:11:20 - 00:09:12:16 Rev. Brittany Right. 00:09:12:18 - 00:09:39:23 Rev. Trudy Yeah. We have this. This idea that. That justice work is is political, and. And it's not religious at all. We don't see that connection, right? Or at least many in the Christian faith won't see that connection. I've had many fellow Christians tell me that. "Oh no, I don't do any kind of social justice work because that's political. It interferes with proclaiming the Gospel." 00:09:39:23 - 00:10:05:22 Rev. Trudy "All I want to do is proclaim the Gospel." And they belong to churches that won't do any kind of social justice. But, you know, part of this story made me wonder, well, just how prevalent is justice or injustice in the Bible? And so I you know, I did a search on my my Bible study tools, right? Justice is mentioned in the Bible 129 times. 00:10:06:00 - 00:10:33:15 Rev. Trudy And injustice 12 times. So that's 141 times combined. Okay. Salvation is only mentioned 124 times. Grace 112. Forgiveness 16. And if you add Forgive, which is 58, you get 74 combined. Still, none of that is as mentioned, as much as Justice or Injustice. 00:10:34:15 - 00:11:00:05 Rev. Trudy And really, when you think about it, we pray the Lord's Prayer. Thy kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. Right. And the Kingdom of God. If it's not just I don't know what kind of model we have, but we pray for that. And if you look at how many times the Kingdom of God or as in the Gospel of Matthew, which calls it the Kingdom of Heaven, is is mentioned in the Bible. 00:11:00:09 - 00:11:06:07 Rev. Trudy It's 117 times. Still not as much as Justice or Injustice. 00:11:07:09 - 00:11:32:18 Rev. Trudy You know, I read an article by an author, a Christian author who said that there are people who are interested in social justice and those who are interested in religious justice. Now, I didn't get his parsing of those terms. Exactly, But assuming the social justice people had nothing to do with religion. Right. The others do. But what he found was that both groups were not perfect. 00:11:33:23 - 00:11:42:21 Rev. Trudy He found that both groups believed that justice was. Excuse me. Injustice was just something you kind of had to live with. 00:11:44:01 - 00:11:51:14 Rev. Trudy And what they differed on was how much injustice each group was willing to live with. 00:11:52:02 - 00:11:52:16 Rev. Brittany Right. 00:11:52:18 - 00:12:05:10 Rev. Trudy And he. He makes this the author makes this statement. We're constantly choosing between which injustices and how much injustice we're willing to accept to improve the world. 00:12:07:08 - 00:12:09:20 Rev. Trudy Ouch. 00:12:09:22 - 00:12:11:03 Rev. Trudy I. 00:12:11:05 - 00:12:19:12 Rev. Trudy I don't know, but I think the Bible hates it all. Hates all injustice, right? And has a strive for something different. 00:12:21:07 - 00:12:45:11 Rev. Brittany I think the justice has gotten this hot topic like it's this hot button word because we associate it with, like, politics, right? But if we go back to me with what Proverbs says, right. To do, righteousness and justice is a more acceptable sacrifice is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice. When I think of that, I think that justice and righteousness requires our sacrifice. 00:12:45:13 - 00:13:13:10 Rev. Brittany It requires our bit of our comfort. It requires us to think about people who are not in the room. It requires us to hear different perspectives from people who may be on the margins, who don't have the same relationship with Pharaoh that we may have. Right? Right. They their their safety and their livelihood is dependent on whether or not we are willing to go to Pharaoh on their behalf and to say to Pharaoh, let my people go. 00:13:13:11 - 00:13:32:16 Rev. Brittany Right. Yeah. But that's also important that before we begin to do any of that kind of advocacy work that we need to be in right relationship with each other. Right. Yeah, Because the church often has this understanding of saving others. And, you know, we have really good intentions and all we need to do is for them to see that. 00:13:32:16 - 00:13:54:05 Rev. Brittany And if we do it, it'll be okay. Right. But we have to be in right relationship and willing to hear what the oppressed are in need of. We may think we know, right? But we don't yet know unless we're in relationship. So how do we build relationships with people who are not in our community? How do we hear voices from people that we would otherwise not listen to? 00:13:54:05 - 00:14:10:10 Rev. Brittany Right. The cries of those who are on the margins is often God's way of reminding us of this work of justice and to remain steadfast in that work. Right. And focus in on what God may have for us to do. 00:14:10:12 - 00:14:21:05 Rev. Trudy You know, you talk about being in right. Relationship. Reminds me of the story of Moses. Right. Right. His journey. He flees Egypt because he killed an Egyptian. 00:14:21:05 - 00:14:21:19 Rev. Brittany Right. 00:14:21:21 - 00:14:43:16 Rev. Trudy And as he runs away. Or actually before he runs away, he comes back the next day and sees two Hebrew people fighting. To the phenomenon you mentioned earlier. And he says, "Come on, you guys, stop doing it." And they say, "Who are you to be talking to us? You've been raised in the Pharaoh's house all your life." 00:14:43:21 - 00:14:50:18 Rev. Trudy "You don't know what we've been through. You have no authority over us. You just go on about your way, sir." Right. 00:14:50:20 - 00:14:51:08 Rev. Brittany Right. 00:14:51:14 - 00:14:53:09 Rev. Trudy Wrong relationship with the people who. 00:14:53:10 - 00:15:14:02 Rev. Brittany Relationship. And he was trying, right? He was. Moses was trying to right a wrong. Right. He was trying to make himself present in available. But he didn't do so. He didn't go over and have a conversation with that Egyptian man. Right, right, right. He just reacted. And that's probably not what they wanted. That's right. With the Israelites were looking for in that relationship. 00:15:14:04 - 00:15:35:08 Rev. Trudy That's right. You know, thinking about the fear that just surrounds the system in the Bible, where it all systems of injustice, I think there's an element of that. A big one. The oppression of the Hebrew people was also an oppression of the Egyptian people. They were. They were all governed by fear. And they let fear rule their lives. 00:15:35:09 - 00:15:40:23 Rev. Trudy Exactly. And it was a fear that was intentionally perpetrated. 00:15:40:23 - 00:15:41:23 Rev. Brittany Right. 00:15:42:01 - 00:16:07:02 Rev. Trudy In order to keep those who are benefiting from the oppression in control. Right. Right. So it doesn't matter who you are in Egypt. You were living with that reality somehow. You know, I got to live the the doctrine of original sin in Christianity. It's it's not it's not about it's more nuance than about judging newborn babies. Right. 00:16:07:02 - 00:16:24:15 Rev. Trudy Right. As I understand it, the original sin is about the fact that we are all born into systems of injustice of some sort. Right. Whether it's racism or sexism or homophobia or anything else that we can name that is an injustice against another person. And those isms are common. 00:16:25:12 - 00:16:32:08 Rev. Trudy And they're just part of the soup that we swim in. But we don't know it's soup until we're older. 00:16:32:09 - 00:16:32:15 Rev. Brittany Right. 00:16:32:16 - 00:16:40:23 Rev. Trudy We have to. We have to grow up a little. Babies don't know that. You grow up and you get older, You know, it's soup. And once you know it's soup. 00:16:41:19 - 00:16:55:10 Rev. Trudy We can choose. We have a choice. We can say, "no, the water's fine. Come on in. We're swimming in. It's okay." Or you can say, "Come on, everybody, it's soup. And I don't want to swim in it anymore." 00:16:55:12 - 00:16:56:22 Rev. Brittany Right? 00:16:57:00 - 00:17:17:03 Rev. Trudy And justice work is frustrated these days because we have such a tendency to think in binary ways. Right? US and them. Right. Black lives matter, Blue lives matter. And as one author says, the truth is, we should value black lives. And we should value white lives. 00:17:17:22 - 00:17:39:07 Rev. Trudy And yes, it should not be that cops shoot unarmed people. And at the same time, cops should be respected because they have tough jobs and risked their lives on our behalf. It's so much more nuanced than any conversations I can give a part be a part of. And I think that's what what our faith has to offer this. 00:17:39:09 - 00:18:03:10 Rev. Trudy It's about saving all of us. Dr. King said that, right? It's about saving all of us. And one thing that I learned the work of Jemar Tisby helped me understand this is that when it's about racism, in particular, when people react to racism, when white people react to racism, we get defensive. Right. We get defensive. 00:18:03:12 - 00:18:04:12 Rev. Brittany I didn't say you did. 00:18:04:13 - 00:18:20:22 Rev. Trudy I know we do. I've been there. We get defensive, and some of us will go on and just learn anyway about some of this. Right. And we will learn. And. And then we get to the place where we say those people did horrible things. 00:18:22:12 - 00:18:37:21 Rev. Trudy Those people. And we don't see ourselves as being caught in that soup. But it's those people did horrible things, right? But if we keep looking, then we begin to realize, well, we are part of the system, and we haven't done anything to change it. That turns into guilt. 00:18:38:01 - 00:18:38:21 Rev. Brittany Right. 00:18:38:23 - 00:19:08:03 Rev. Trudy You don't want to be in any of those places. You want to keep on working. And the goal is to move beyond all of this so that we can do better, so that we can be better for one another. And you keep saying that whenever we talk about race. And I'm so grateful for that reminder, because ultimately is, as Tisby says, the ultimate place is to get to is to get to be able to say, I'm proud to be white in this day and age, because we are moving away from all of that. 00:19:08:09 - 00:19:21:01 Rev. Trudy I'm proud to be white. Even as we're able to say I am so grateful for the people of color and to be able to honor people of color as well. It's a it's a salvation for all of us. 00:19:21:01 - 00:19:22:05 Rev. Brittany Right. 00:19:22:07 - 00:19:42:23 Rev. Trudy And coming back sorry, I've talked a lot, but it's okay. I'm going to keep talking for just a little bit longer. It's it's such important stuff. Such good stuff you had. And you had mentioned this earlier. And I just want to put too fine a point on it. The Moses story kind of tells us this is how you do justice work. 00:19:42:23 - 00:19:44:16 Rev. Trudy Number one, you witness the injustice. 00:19:45:14 - 00:19:49:06 Rev. Trudy Number two, you connect with the sufferer on a personal level. 00:19:50:04 - 00:19:57:00 Rev. Trudy So it's not just something that happens over there? But it's something that. Oh my gosh, I can. I can feel. 00:19:57:00 - 00:19:57:09 Rev. Brittany Right. 00:19:57:14 - 00:20:21:00 Rev. Trudy That on a personal level, the Torah repeats over and over again. Remember, you were once slaves in the land of Egypt, and that is what gives you the ability to be compassion, compassionate to the sojourners or the foreigner's right. You were once different, too. So witness injustice connect with the sufferer. But then and this is where we are with Moses, you put aside your own work, right? 00:20:21:04 - 00:20:22:05 Rev. Trudy In order to help. 00:20:23:12 - 00:20:29:14 Rev. Trudy At some point, you have to see. It's for all of us. Right. And you have to make concessions in what you're doing. 00:20:30:22 - 00:20:37:06 Rev. Trudy You have the experience of. Of injustice within a racist world. 00:20:37:19 - 00:20:38:21 Rev. Brittany And affects this one, too. 00:20:39:01 - 00:21:09:21 Rev. Trudy Well, that's where I was going, because that. That's what I know, right? People? I'm in a predominantly male profession. We are both. Intersectionality would be a whole other podcast, but join us. There you go. If we could go on for hours on this, I'm afraid, because there's so much. But in my experience, I know that I have not always been aware of the ways in which that kind of sexism has been in front of me. 00:21:10:00 - 00:21:38:03 Rev. Trudy Right. I remember being first in the in the ministry, you know, if I felt a discrimination, I would just shrug it off, you know, whatever. And I knew other colleagues, other women who would be offended by that. And, you know, and as we talked with other people, we'd say, well, this is what happened to me. And we begin to share and then we begin to see stories and and then we begin to experience more and more. 00:21:38:03 - 00:21:47:00 Rev. Trudy And the more we're able to to watch what's happening and to put it in the context of that wouldn't happen if I were a man. 00:21:47:01 - 00:21:48:06 Rev. Trudy Right. 00:21:48:08 - 00:21:53:10 Rev. Trudy You once you begin to see it, you can't not see it. 00:21:53:11 - 00:21:54:03 Rev. Brittany Right. 00:21:54:05 - 00:21:55:15 Rev. Trudy You can't not see it. 00:21:55:16 - 00:21:58:10 Rev. Brittany Right. 00:21:58:12 - 00:21:59:09 Rev. Brittany You're right. 00:21:59:11 - 00:22:00:23 Rev. Trudy You can say whatever you want to. 00:22:00:23 - 00:22:22:14 Rev. Brittany Makes me think of Moses. And when he first kills the Egyptian man. Yeah. He grew up in a system that was full of oppression. Right. He was in the Pharaoh's house, but he had seen how the Egyptians were treated before. That's right. He's seen an Egyptian man be beaten before. I'm sure he did. But once he finally opened his heart to see it differently, he couldn't go back to what he knew. 00:22:22:15 - 00:23:00:05 Rev. Trudy Yeah. Yeah. I think when we were talking about approaching this podcast, we use the phrase justice is an evolution, right? It really is. You once you see more and more and then you look more and more and you see more and more and and all of that enables us to increase our compassion. And especially, you know, as I as I've worked with you and just becoming more and more aware of the micro-aggressions of race, we we can begin to have compassion towards the weight of the injustice that surely lives still all over. 00:23:00:09 - 00:23:01:12 Rev. Trudy Right. 00:23:01:14 - 00:23:16:11 Rev. Trudy And eventually that weight feels like a weight on your own shoulders. And we can then feel much more motivated to put aside our own benefit from whatever ism there might be and to act on behalf of another person. 00:23:16:13 - 00:23:35:03 Rev. Brittany Right. Because Dr. King says, I typically don't quote King, but I'm quoting him today. "But a threat to justice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Right? That's right. And so I think that the problem that we've done is, like you said earlier, the binaries that we don't think that those who are oppressing are also in the system. 00:23:35:03 - 00:23:56:22 Rev. Brittany Right. That it affects you, too. That's right. It affects us all. We all participate in these systems. Right. Even though I am of two oppressed groups, I am also privileged as a heterosexual woman. Right. Right. As an educated black woman. Those things. I have to also put myself in proximity to say, okay, these are ways in which you participate in these oppressive systems as well. 00:23:56:22 - 00:24:00:23 Rev. Brittany And so how then do I become better? It's the work of us all. 00:24:00:23 - 00:24:01:14 Rev. Trudy That's right. 00:24:01:18 - 00:24:03:14 Rev. Brittany Right. Right. And shame doesn't get us anywhere. 00:24:03:15 - 00:24:03:23 Rev. Trudy No, it. 00:24:03:23 - 00:24:12:14 Rev. Brittany Does. It doesn't get us anywhere. But the Gospel calls us. And the Word of God, in my opinion, that's just my little theological opinion. 00:24:12:14 - 00:24:13:23 Rev. Trudy 129. 00:24:14:03 - 00:24:15:10 Rev. Brittany 140? 00:24:15:10 - 00:24:19:00 Rev. Trudy Well, if you include injustice 140 times. 00:24:19:01 - 00:24:46:18 Rev. Brittany I'm like, Yeah, yeah. And so what does God require of us? It's very, very clear. Right. Micah says it right to do justly, to love mercy and to walk humbly with God. Yeah, To do justly. To do justly. Righteousness. Making sure that everyone has a seat at the table. Right. And not only a seat at the table, but that they are served with the same rights and privileges and respect that everyone else is. 00:24:46:19 - 00:24:49:16 Rev. Trudy Yeah. I don't think it's just a dream. 00:24:49:18 - 00:24:53:20 Rev. Brittany I hope not, because it can be a nightmare. Well, hello. 00:24:54:00 - 00:24:56:05 Rev. Trudy There you go. 00:24:56:07 - 00:25:15:04 Rev. Brittany So we have a few discussion questions for you. What made you realize that injustice existed in the world? What injustice burns you up and how have you responded to it? And what does it mean to live justly? 00:25:15:06 - 00:25:26:00 Rev. Trudy I like what you did there. How? How? What? Injustice burns you up? I had visions of the burning bush. That is burns, but it's not consume you Go. You see how I'm just tying. 00:25:26:00 - 00:25:26:23 Rev. Brittany It all up? 00:25:26:23 - 00:25:30:15 Rev. Trudy There it is. Yeah. That's a good stuff. Thanks, Brittany. 00:25:30:19 - 00:25:33:15 Rev. Brittany Thanks, Trudy. 00:25:33:17 - 00:26:01:20 Rev. Trudy This is the production of First United Methodist Church of San Diego. To learn more about our events and ministries and to access additional learning resources, visit fumcsd.org.