It is good to publicize that this look that so many strive to achieve is not a healthy state at all.
I read a discussion forum recently where people were talking about how sex with lean and fat women is different. Another thing to remember here is that contest-ready means a lot lower body fat than fitness models or most body-builders have during the off-season.
When dbol hit the Olympic and power lifting scenes in the 60s, people didn’t have a clue what the side effects would be.
How many times on Facebook and elsewhere have I come across men who have all of these rules about HOW REAL MEN BEHAVE TOWARDS WOMEN.
Truly Real Men come in 3 billion different varieties, not in caricatures based upon a character in a B movie. I mean, how many “fashionable” fads have been about restricting movements and rednering women weak? I think that since Western society is largely heterosexist and cissexist, there is a lot of fear involved when it comes to creating one’s own identity if you do not fit into expected binaries and orientations.
For the body builders it’s a fairly insular community of men who are competing to out do each other. The message should be that you are OK the way you are, whether or not you conform to gender norms.
I agree with this Uncephalized, but I think that we often culturally look down on traditional gender roles, and that effect is not to be overlooked.
Women who prefer to be submissive are seen as weak, and dudes who prefer to be dominant are seen as noxious cavemen. Oh I completely agree that our society today seems to have a problem with traditional-leaning people.
Marina told me something like this, “Look, these women are still focused on men, every bit as much as the stereotypical, passive housewife. I actually see this as part of a movement to feminize men (and agree it is an outcome of the fluid gender identity we seem to be experiencing).


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They receive little or no feedback outside their community about their activities, and frankly being mostly young men don’t *care* about the risks. I think it’s troubling that men are now becoming sex objects, and that the beauty expectations for women are so unrealistic.
And when society coerces people into behaving in a way that is unnatural for them it just leads to unhappiness and conflict. I am inclined toward traditional gender roles, which I had fought for most of my life with a militantly feminist mother. It’s like we recognized the problem of coerced compliance and then overreacted by trying to enforce noncompliance through shaming instead. They could go like a jackhammer and not get off, while their stamina was almost nothing with overweight women.
He exercises like Jack LaLanne, counts calories and claims to manage his weight mostly by food choice. Magazines have actually started retouching photos of runway models to ADD weight to them, because they are so thin now! But of course it was the shaming and discrimination that were the problems in the first place, not the gender roles themselves!
Yeah, I know some people will jump on me for saying this, but millenia of history back me up. I would rather celebrate the very real gender differences, and not try to force us to be the same. I got a lot more relaxed about and successful in dating when I understood and accepted these biological ideas. Part of me thinks the people that continue with these compeitions have problems with self acceptance and they think they can fix the problems from the outside.



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