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This stems from the work done by Cordain, Eaton and others whose research found that the majority of paleo and hunter gatherer diets are lower in carbohydrates and higher in protein and fat than today’s diet.
A diet high in refined carbohydrate diets is not healthy – especially the standard western diet, where carbohydrates are eaten far in excess of requirements. Of course you don’t need to count carbs, but in my observation, many in the paleo world do not eat enough carbs. Do you know how much carb would have vegetable juice only from spinach salad and celery 32 oz?
While this may be the impression that you have or it may even have been stated in comments by those who jump to conclusions, this has never been the position of any leading proponents of low carb eating that I have read: such as Gary Taubes. Surely it is up to each of us to find out the level of dietary carbohydrate that we can tolerate? And yes for the most part I am talking to people who have some weight to lose but are generally healthy.
If you were to have more than 1 cup of the “non carbs” would you consider them a carb then? I tried very low carb back when Atkins was new, lost weight but was sick with Mono for months, didn’t get well until I went off Atkins. I would like to know which carb is beter for body sweet potato, squash beet, or fruits that have quite amount of sugar. Even with 3 x Crossfit + 3 x Muay Thai training sessions a week I do not have ANY energy problems, don't feel weak or have slower recovery because of that. Limit yourself to a maximum of 1 serving of fresh local seasonal fruit per day – particularly if you are trying to lose weight. There is a simple turnaround to easy weight control and health by elimination or at least limiting your total Fructose intake to less than 10 grams per day.
Many groups including dieticians, weight reduction schemes and some advisory bodies keep pushing the fruit barrow. I have friends who can remember getting a single orange as a child in their Christmas stocking as a special treat. It is better than a lot of refined sugar in food but fruit still has a fair load of fructose.
The natural source of sugar is fruit and we are meant at a primitive level to search for that sweetness generally at the end of summer, gorge upon the fruit and elegantly metabolise it to fat for winter storage.
The trouble is we now have some form of sugar 3 times a day, 365 days a year and wonder why we are making fat every day along with its metabolic consequences. Most modern fruit has been ‘designed’ for a higher sugar content, lower fibre content , with a thinner skin and greater water content to make it ‘juicy’.
There is nothing ‘natural’ about bananas in Tasmania or stone fruit in Northern Queensland at any time of the year.
My issue is not with eating whole fruit as much as it is with the quantity and frequency that we currently take in.


Have you noticed that the fruit that falls off your trees in your backyard is rotten within 24-48 hours whereas the ‘Modern’ fruit you buy from the supermarket is still fresh a week to 10 days afterwards? Fruit has been around for billions of years but most of our early exposure as cavemen was around the tropics in Africa 50000 – 60000 years ago.
The wild fruits varied in availability, size and taste depending on the tree, soil type and obvious environmental factors. Modern fruit production includes soil management, controlled environments and a variety of chemicals to produce the quantity and consistency required for the modern supermarket.
Have you noticed that the fruit that falls off your trees in your backyard is rotten within 24-48 hours whereas the ‘Modern’ fruit you buy from the supermarket  is still fresh a week to 10 days afterwards?
I have nothing against fruit and believe that there is plenty of goodness in fruit but to me, it should be up to ONE piece of LOCAL and SEASONAL fruit per day.
Fresh vegetables can provide virtually all of the same nutrients and fibre without the Fructose load.  We just prefer fruit to veggies because we like the sweetness more.
Fruit varieties are now being designed with more sugar and less fibre to improve transportability and shelf life. There are about 3 teaspoons of sugar in each banana and orange, a couple in apples, peaches and nectarines, about 1 per strawberry. The regular consumption of nuts most days over 30 years is associated with a lower death rate, lower heart attack and respiratory disease rate as well as a lower cancer rate. They also acknowledge that this group were leaner, less likely to smoke, more likely to exercise, and more likely to use multivitamin supplements and that they also consumed more fruits and vegetables and drank more alcohol.
However it needs to be noted (again) that this may be because of the dietary availability of carbohydrates, and the higher availability of protein sources. Very low carbohydrate diets are widely promoted for weight loss, and the low carbohydrate trend has become entwined with paleo eating.
Most feel better on a moderate carb diet, which is still a lot lower in carbs than the standard western diet, and more importantly if you eat a paleo diet, you will be cutting out the damaging carbohydrates. I also see many CrossFitters eating low carb diets and suffering – low energy, poor recovery, sleep problems, adrenal fatigue. This is because they eat lots of volume of vegetables, but not enough of the carbohydrate containing ones. It was as close as I could get to net carbs, there is a lot of variation in foods, so this should be seen as a rough guideline.
I juice every morning but only leafy green like spinach lettuce, celery lime lemon, cucumber, no beet no carot, how should I count it?
So, I am considering backing off protein a little and increasing carbs a little to see if this will help increase my energy and workout recovery. Started on Zone later, found it well balanced, keeps me out of ketosis, controls weight and appetite nicely, + no more afternoon fatigue. Can you explain haw not going low enough on carbs causes the problem please – I and many readers would love to know.


Is it really good for us or are we just succumbing to fruit and the food industry for their benefit, not ours?
It is juiced, concentrated, dried and added to a variety of foods and marketed as ‘natural sugar’.
My reading around this topic points to a variety of fruits being competed for by humans, birds, animals and insects. Once harvested in commercial enterprises it is often coated with chemical to protect the outer skin, then placed in vacuum storage rooms rich in oxygen and then cooled down to a core temperature of about 0 degrees.
Fruit when eaten whole has fibre in it which slows the absorption of fructose and is good for the bowel.
This is a guide only and especially for those trying to lose weight – ONE piece of LOCAL and SEASONAL fruit per day.
Quality carbohydrates eaten in the context of a paleo diet will be less that the standard diet. I then experimented with Atkins, thinking this must be the ultimate in avoiding carbs, and gave myself some sort of terrible hormonal imbalance – my skin was shocking, periods irregular, no energy, just a mess. Don’t have any food issues other than enjoy eating sugary food which I stopped since Paleo became my way of eating. Even those smoothies from juice bars are about the same but at least still have the fibre within them. The concentrated sugar and lower fibre content with additional processing mean to me that Modern fruit is different. This process obviously varies from fruit to fruit and location but a process occurs.  The fruit is then stored in cool rooms and distributed on as required.
The concentrated sugar and lower fibre content with additional processing  mean to me that Modern fruit is different. Other whole fruits (not dried) are not bad and if you eat them with the skin (well washed) then you get the fibre as well. I really don’t need to lose weight but am flabby around the waist especially after gaining weight to help increase muscle mass while lifting weights (back squat, deadlift, and military press) which are part of my Crossfit workouts. No racing down to the supermarket and filling up the SUV with juicy, perishable fruit from another country. Also, as I’ve gotten fitter and slimmer, my carb tolerance and maybe even need for carbs has increased. There are about 3 teaspoons of sugar in each banana and orange, a couple in apples, peaches and nectarines, about 1 per strawberry or grape.



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